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To: Lane3 who wrote (7202)	6/25/2007 1:54:15 PM
From: Constant Reader	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

That and the fact that cars are so much better now than they used to be. You can easily go 80 without being aware of going fast. Isn't that the truth! The first time I really noticed how different things were was when I bought the z3. It is as if it prefers to cruise at 80 (if you know what I mean). If I don't keep an eye on it, I'll end up there without any effort (and still have cars zoom by me as if I am standing still). None of my other cars were like that - had to work to maintain 70-75 and knew I was going fast by sound & stability. Now, almost all the cars in the family are like the z3 - a bit too quiet and stable and too easy to really speed without thinking about it. ;-)

To: Lane3 who wrote (7202)	6/25/2007 2:00:05 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Those examples seem off to me. Well it may be a matter of people thinking they are worth mentioning because they go beyond the norm. But still they are examples of a trend. Whether that trend is continuing, and if so how far will it go, are questions I can't answer right now, but I will say that I think the campaigns against drunk driving have largely reached their logical conclusions in terms of what is punished, and perhaps in terms of how severe the punishment is. Things were too lenient in the past, but I don't really think they generally are anymore and it may have gotten to the point where things are starting to go to far in the other direction. But once you have a movement campaigning for something its unlikely to disband once its reached its initial aims, or taken the reasonable steps beyond those initial aims. You have that type of factor in all sorts of areas. From - "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." to affimitive action everywhere, in the civil rights movement; from "social safety nets" from government, and union's protesting abuses from employers, to (particularly in Europe) rigid work rules and "social welfare" "nanny states". You're the one that told me that going 20 mph over the speed limit was considered reckless driving. 20 over anywhere, and also 80 anywhere (even in 65 zones where you would only be 15 over). t's just that speeds have increased so much around there and you really need to be going the same speed as everyone else to be safe so I have sped up a lot. That and the fact that cars are so much better now than they used to be. You can easily go 80 without being aware of going fast. A couple of generations ago, I don't think such laws where common, while less advanced skinny tired vehicles with poor breaks where. Now with modern cars you could make the argument that 80 or perhaps more, on a rural interstate shouldn't even be worth a ticket, but instead it can be considered a misdemeanor or even a felony.