To: TimF who wrote (341577 ) 7/2/2007 11:54:48 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576865 That still leaves you restricting freedom of choice, its just more popular restrictions." Yes, and that's the nature of a democracy. The issue was choice, and by extension freedom. Democracies can also restrict choice and freedom, the fact that it was done by a Democratic government doesn't change the fact that freedom and choice have been reduced. And again, that's the nature of a democracy. I think you understand how democracies work in theory but you don't seem to get how they work in practice. Also being more and more restrictive of freedom and limiting choice more and more, isn't the nature of a democracy. It just happens to be what our democracy has been doing lately. It has been doing it for 300 years.In a democracy people still have to consider the wisdom and justice of decisions. Sure the most popular position (assuming its popularity is strong and durable, and that it isn't unconstitutional, or that the courts say it is anyway) is likely to be chosen (unless its an issue that special interests care a ton more about than the average voter). But that doesn't mean that you personally have to support it. When you determine whether to support it or not, the level of freedom and choice allowed by a policy doesn't seem to be one of your top concerns. It is just one of my concerns. I know you don't understand this.......but I still say your attitude is very immature. You want to do what you want to do and it annoys the hell out of you when you can't even though its for the greater good. Tim, when a stop light is red you may actually stop without an prompting but some people in this country require further prompting.......such a fines. That's true, but irrelevant. You know we aren't talking about running through red lights or similar rules. It is relevent but I am tired of trying to convince you of its legitimacy.