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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (8713)	7/4/2007 7:03:19 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

TRAIL OF TERROR Stoning advocate to address Connecticut crowd Imam who forecast 'crumbling' democracy to address 'Islamophobia' event Posted: July 4, 2007 worldnetdaily.com Christian pastors often will speak of the sin in the world, or in their nation, and call for repentance, but an expert on terrorism says when imam Siraj Wahhaj, one of the unindicted co-conspirators of the 1993 bombing at the World Trade Center, preaches in his mosque, he goes one step further. "Christian pastors will say the [nation] has taken the wrong course, but they don't say the U.S. is going to be destroyed unless everyone converts to Christianity right now," Steven Emerson, one of the nation's leading experts on terrorism, told WND. But Wahhaj, who is speaking this coming weekend in Hartford, Conn., at the 32nd annual Islamic Circle of North America conference, an event shared with the Muslim American Society, blends into his sermons the "evil" of the United States and the need for an Islamic state. That, Emerson said, is adding the political to the religious and is when the sermons "become a problem." "This is the whole problem of these conferences. They end up inserting a political message into an innocent message, then they politicize the situation. They're basically mobilizing the Muslim public," Emerson said. "He has a message of Islam reigning supreme, and mixed with his message is the fact of the U.S. being an evil country, and defending terrorism," Emerson said. "All together that leads someone to become radicalized," said Emerson, considered one of the leading authorities in Islamic extremist networks, financing and operations. He's also the executive director of The Investigation Project on Terrorism, one of the world's largest storehouses of archival data and intelligence on Islamic and Middle Eastern terrorist groups. The conference is set up to "address growing Islamophobia," according to sponsors who have titled their event "Muhammad: Mercy To Humanity and Beyond." Wahhaj is on the program as a featured speaker, but it's not the comments about his faith that concern those who monitor radical groups; it's sentiments such as: "In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. And the only thing that will remain will be Islam." "If Allah says stone them to death, through the Prophet Muhammad, then you stone them to death, because it's the obedience of Allah and his messenger – nothing personal." Those quotes were documented by several organizations watching the activities of Islamics they consider radical, such as Wahhaj, who was put on the U.S. attorney's list of potential co-conspirators to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and soon after was a witness for Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, the so-called "Blind Sheikh," who was convicted in the bombing. At a news conference promoting the event, Naeem Baig, the secretary general of the ICNA group, condemned the "irresponsible media" and said "Islam remains the most misunderstood religion in America." He said the events will include a town hall style symposium called "Window to Islam," and Baig said it would address "Islamophobia." Other topics at the convention will be parenting, family issues, civil rights and media and spiritual development. An online "invitation" to the conference noted Islam is the religion of "approximately seven million Americans," and it "promotes peace, prayer, humility as well as social, communal and family values." But critics note that Wahhaj also is a board member for the Council on Islamic-American Relations, which, as WND reported earlier this month, was named by federal prosecutors, along with two other prominent U.S. Islamic groups, as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in a plot with five officials of the defunct Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, who go on trial July 16 in Dallas. A separate website where Wahhaj's various speeches are available for purchase advertises his address called "Islam – The Solution to America's Social Problems," and "Are You Ready to Die?" It was on Feb. 2, 1995, when U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White named Wahhaj as one of the "unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators" in the attack in New York. Daniel Pipes, another recognized expert on the issues of Islam, noted that in 1991 Wahhaj was the first Muslim to deliver the daily prayer in the U.S. House of Representations. "On that occasion he recited from the Quran and appealed to the Almighty to guide American leaders," he concluded in a report. "A little over a year later, addressing an audience of New Jersey Muslims, the same Wahhaj articulated a rather different vision from his mild and moderate invocation in the House. If only Muslims were more clever politically, he told his New Jersey listeners, they could take over the United States and replace its constitutional government with a caliphate." "If we were united and strong, we'd elect our own emir [leader] and give allegiance to him. . . . [T]ake my word, if 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us," Wahhaj had told the audience. He later told another audience, "I see the demise of the Soviet Union as a sign for the American people that what happened in the Soviet Union will definitely happen in America unless America changes its course from the new world order and accepts the Islamic agenda." On a religion blog, he's quoted as telling his followers that a society governed by strict Islamic law, where adulterers would be stoned to death and thieves would have their hands cut off, would be superior to American democracy.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (8713)	7/4/2007 7:23:16 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Respond to of 20106

Infidels and apostates are not going to want to have the Islamic version of Medecins Sans Frontieres msf.org injecting things into them. I think everyone in the west has that question niggling at them. Does a Moslem have to answer such a question truthfully? No they do not have to tell the truth. I have never known a muslim that told the truth anyway. The koran allows for muslims to lie. Within Islamic tradition, the concept of Taqiyya (?????? - 'fear, guard against')[1] refers to a controversial dispensation allowing believers to conceal their faith when ,under threat, persecution or compulsion. It is based on Qur'an verses 3:28 and 16:106 as well as hadith, tafsir literature, and juridical commentaries.[2] The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury." A one-word translation would be "Dissimulation." en.wikipedia.org Fortunately, they are far behind mass-murderer British doctor I forget his name Are you so sure? They may have been part of many mass murders in the past in other countries though you may be correct. A killer usually gets more efficient the more he kills. Look at the carnage in Iraq. The numbers keep on escalating with every bomb. Welcome to the thread. You may find it very informative.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (8713)	7/6/2007 12:24:18 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

I wonder how many "doctors" have infiltrated the states? British Terror Suspects Made U.S. Inquiry Todd Heisler/The New York Times The authorities say they have linked the two men who attacked Glasgow’s airport to failed attacks in London. By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: July 6, 2007 Filed at 10:58 a.m. ET London Bombers Sped to Glasgow, Authorities Say (July 6, 2007) Britain Convicts 4 in Separate Terrorism Trials (July 6, 2007) A Low-Key Leader for a High-Intensity Job (July 6, 2007) LONDON (AP) -- Two suspects in the failed car bombings in Britain had contacted a clearinghouse for foreign doctors about working in the United States, the FBI said Friday, and British officials probed links between the attacks and al-Qaida in Iraq. An FBI spokeswoman said Mohammed Asha and another suspect had contacted the Philadelphia-based Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates, as first reported in The Philadelphia Inquirer. Asha, a Jordanian physician of Palestinian heritage, contacted the agency within the last year, but apparently did not take the test for foreign medical school graduates, said the spokeswoman, Nancy O'Dowd. ''He was applying, (but) we don't believe he took the test,'' she said. O'Dowd could not immediately confirm the name of the second suspect. The FBI visited the organization's office in West Philadelphia this week, O'Dowd said. On June 29, authorities defused two car bombs that had been set to explode near packed nightclubs and pubs in central London. The following day, two people rammed a car loaded with gas canisters into the airport terminal in Glasgow, Scotland. The car ignited, seriously injuring one of the suspects. Both men in the car have been arrested. ''From what I know, we are getting to the bottom of this cell that has been responsible for what is happening,'' Prime Minister Gordon Brown said in an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. television. Asha was arrested on the M6 highway Saturday night along with his wife. In Jordan, security officials said Asha had no criminal record, and friends and family said they found it hard to believe either he or his wife were connected with terrorism. Brown said Britons could expect intensified security checks in the weeks ahead as the country's terrorism threat level remains at ''severe,'' meaning further attacks are considered likely. ''Crowded places and airports, I think people will have to accept that the security will be more intense,'' Brown said. ''We have got to avoid the possibility -- and it is very, very difficult -- that people can use these crowded places for explosions.'' A host of major public events are under way now or about to begin, including the Wimbledon tennis tournament, the Tour de France in London, and a Live Earth concert. The country also is planning several ceremonies on Saturday to mark the second anniversary of London suicide bombings that killed 52 people and wounded more than 700 on July 7, 2005. As police continue to question the eight suspects -- six Middle Easterners and two Indian nationals -- Britain's intelligence agencies are focusing on their international links, one British intelligence official and another government official said speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the press. ''We've known for quite some time of al-Qaida's growth in Iraq,'' the government official told The Associated Press. ''Iraq is an obvious place to look for connections, but it's not the only country link we're investigating.'' MI5, Britain's domestic intelligence agency, said on its Web site that some Britons had joined the Iraqi insurgency. ''In the longer term, it is possible that they may later return to the UK and consider mounting attacks here,'' the Web site said. Al-Qaida in Iraq is believed to have become better organized since Abu Ayyub al-Masri, an Egyptian, took it over from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian who was killed by coalition forces a year ago. Iraqi officials also have said the terrorist group is now delegating more authority to sympathetic cells in other countries. The eight suspects arrested in Saturday's airport attack and two failed car bombings a day earlier in London were all foreigners working for Britain's state health system, and investigators are pressing to find what brought them together. Police also are reportedly trying to determine if the two suspects arrested during the Glasgow attack, Bilal Abdulla and Khalid Ahmed, had taken part in the attempted bombings in London and whether they were the ringleaders of a cell containing all the suspects. Ahmed, identified by staff at Glasgow's Royal Alexandra Hospital as a Lebanese physician employed there, is now being treated for horrific burns suffered when he set himself on fire after crashing the Jeep loaded with rudimentary bombs into the airport. Abdulla, a passenger in the Jeep, is an Iraqi doctor employed by Royal Alexandra. Ahmed, who was burned over 90 percent of his body, was admitted to Royal Alexandra Hospital in critical condition. When he stabilized on Friday, he was sedated and moved to a burn unit at Glasgow Royal Infirmary, a city government spokesman said. London Bombers Sped to Glasgow, Authorities Say (July 6, 2007) Britain Convicts 4 in Separate Terrorism Trials (July 6, 2007) A Low-Key Leader for a High-Intensity Job (July 6, 2007) In Australia, police seized computers from two hospitals Friday as they explored connections between the British plotters and Muhammad Haneef, an Indian doctor arrested there. ''There are a number of people now being interviewed as part of this investigation; it doesn't mean that they're all suspects but it is quite a complex investigation and the links to the U.K. are becoming more concrete,'' said Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty. Muslim groups in Britain placed advertisements in British national newspapers in praise of the emergency services and to declare that terrorism is ''not in our name,'' borrowing the slogan from the mass protests in Britain against the invasion of Iraq. The ads from the Muslims United coalition also quoted the Quran: ''Whoever kills an innocent soul, it is as if he killed the whole of mankind. And whoever saves one, it is as if he saved the whole of mankind.'' Separately, an immigrant to Britain who collected information about staging terrorist attacks was sentenced to nine years in prison Friday. Omar Altimimi, 37, came to England from the Netherlands in 2002 and applied for asylum, but police have been unable to establish his true identity or nationality, prosecutors said. He was convicted earlier this week of six counts of possessing material of use to terrorists and two counts of money laundering. ''You were indeed, as the prosecution contend, a sleeper for some sort of terrorist organization,'' said Judge David Maddison. ''It is not known, when, if and how you might have been called upon to play your part.'' The manuals in his possession included instructions on using gas canisters to make car bombs, prosecutors said, but there was no indication that Altimimi had any connection to the failed bombing attempts in London and Glasgow. His co-defendant Yusuf Abdullah, 30, a native of Yemen who pleaded guilty to two counts of money laundering, received a two-year sentence. Maryclaire Dale reported from Philadelphia. Associated Press writer Rod McGuirk contributed to this report from Canberra, Australia. nytimes.com