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To: Dale Baker who wrote (39567)	7/12/2007 10:45:39 PM
From: Sam	Respond to of 541715

Asked if he was sufficiently realistic in his appraisal of Iraq, he said "Yeah," then talked at length about the threat posed by al Qaeda. He repeated his inaccurate and misleading assertion that "the same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." (See for instance, this McClatchy story.) And he generally argued that disagreeing with his policy is tantamount to undermining the troops and emboldening Al Qaeda. I've heard at least two other people today say essentially the same thing--Kimberly Kagan and Key Bailey Hutchison. Their new talking points. Lather rinse repeat. These people are odious. "I wouldn't do that to a parent or a husband or a wife of a soldier. I believe we can succeed, and I believe we are making security progress that will enable the political track to succeed as well."

To: Dale Baker who wrote (39567)	7/12/2007 10:54:25 PM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 541715

re: "He repeated his inaccurate and misleading assertion that "the same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th."" Well of course, the people who attacked us on 9-11 are not the same as those bombing innocent people in Iraq. The actual people who attacked the United States on 9-11 died during the attack. That aside, exactly how is Al Qaeda in Iraq different from al Qaeda?

To: Dale Baker who wrote (39567)	7/12/2007 11:59:04 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 541715

"Asked why Americans should trust his vision for Iraq, given all the mistakes he has made thus far, Bush essentially blamed his commanders -- but then said that Americans should trust him because he relies on his commanders." I still don't understand why some people (granted a minority now) swallow this kind of tautology. There are people who still believe the president, and believe in him, but for the life of me I can't figure out why after all the failures. And they are getting angrier at the majority who don't believe, which is problematic, I think. The level of hostility on the far right seems to be rising.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (39567)	7/13/2007 8:09:01 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541715

He repeated his inaccurate and misleading assertion that "the same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." (See for instance, this McClatchy story.) I'm beginning to think that this strategy rather than being a viable political one is it's own worst enemy. It parodies itself. And is seen as such. Except by the few folk left in the bunker. The group that calls itself Al Qaeda that is now in Iraq simply didn't exist prior to our invasion of Iraq. No matter how many times this Al Qaeda c**p is invoked, it doesn't change the fact that Iraq is a civil war. Stop.