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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (102880)7/13/2007 9:41:58 PM
From: JBTFD  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
I will answer your stupid ass question only after you admit that Clinton's policy of containment was a success as far as preventing Saddam from acquiring or developing WMD is concerned.

The only sad thing is that we didn't know how successful it had been. Or we allowed those who wanted war to convince us not to believe it.



To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (102880)7/13/2007 9:45:09 PM
From: Steve Dietrich  Respond to of 173976
 
Answer this Yes or No: When Clinton called for 'regime change" in Iraq, could he realistically have expected SH and his family to voluntarily give up power? A simple yes or no will do.

No.

But that doesn't mean invasion and occupation. You can covertly support opposition, you can support democratic reformers.

Clinton obviously didn't think invading was a good idea because he didn't invade. And he was right. Bush Sr. knew better too, he said so in his book:

Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under the circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome.

SD



To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (102880)7/13/2007 9:51:45 PM
From: Steve Dietrich  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 173976
 
Also, we want regime change in North Korea too. That doesn't mean invading and occupying is a good idea.

Your supposed logic here is just plain stupid. Supporting regime change does not equal supporting invasion.

It's so obvious i can't believe it needs to be said. Are you serious?

SD