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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (236372)	7/14/2007 6:37:24 AM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 281500

That is why the US must be seen to defeat al Qaeda in Iraq. This is happening as more and more Iraqis turn against them. The outcome is uncertain - unless we opt for defeat by cutting and running. Which is exactly why we should start saying "We won, the Iraqis are losing." If we say it frequently enough, it will be an easy transition to "We won, the Iraqis lost." The Iraqi parliament is making it pretty easy, they're on vacation for August. Who cares what Zarqawi says? All we have to do is paste our own translation under what he says. I liked the one you used in an earlier situation. "Forget the Palestinians, think about us." jttmab

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (236372)	7/14/2007 8:41:27 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Unlike you, Zawahiri understands what war is. He has a strong preference for victory, which he will claim loudly and credibly the minute the US withdraws, whatever the circumstances on the ground in Iraq. That is why the US must be seen to defeat al Qaeda in Iraq. This is happening as more and more Iraqis turn against them. The outcome is uncertain - unless we opt for defeat by cutting and running. I agree that al Qaeda is losing in Iraq. But they are losing, as we've noted time and again, because the Sunnis of Anbar finally decided they had enough of those lunatics, and to get rid of them. Al Qaeda doesn't stand a chance in Iraq--neither the Shia nor most of the Sunnis can stand them. The outcome isn't "uncertain," and our "cutting and running" has nothing to do with it. That's your talking point. And you "understand what war is," don't you? You of so many "tipping points" over the years that I can't even count them. Cute. How many predictions can you make that turn out to be wrong before you acknowledge that you were just wrong about this war?