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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (103251)7/16/2007 7:06:28 PM
From: DizzyG  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
Incorrect again, Kenneth...

You said:
They were mostly small farmers. Very few of them were lawyers or doctors.

Where is it you are getting your information? Try this:

Occupations
The delegates practiced a wide range of occupations, and many men pursued more than one career simultaneously. Thirty-five were lawyers or had benefited from legal training, though not all of them relied on the profession for a livelihood. Some had also become judges.

At the time of the convention, 13 individuals were businessmen, merchants, or shippers: Blount, Broom, Clymer, Dayton, Fitzsimons, Gerry, Gilman, Gorham, Langdon, Robert Morris, Pierce, Sherman, and Wilson. Six were major land speculators: Blount, Dayton, Fitzsimons, Gorham, Robert Morris, and Wilson. Eleven speculated in securities on a large scale: Bedford, Blair, Clymer, Dayton, Fitzsimons, Franklin, King, Langdon, Robert Morris, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, and Sherman. Twelve owned or managed slave-operated plantations or large farms: Bassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jenifer, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. Madison also owned slaves. Broom and Few were small farmers.

Nine of the men received a substantial part of their income from public office: Baldwin, Blair, Brearly, Gilman, Jenifer, Livingston, Madison, and Rutledge. Three had retired from active economic endeavors: Franklin, McHenry, and Mifflin. Franklin and Williamson were scientists, in addition to their other activities. McClurg, McHenry, and Williamson were physicians, and Johnson was a university president. Baldwin had been a minister, and Williamson, Madison, Ellsworth, and possibly others had studied theology but had never been ordained.

A few of the delegates were wealthy. Washington and Robert Morris ranked among the nation's most prosperous men. Carroll, Houstoun, Jenifer, and Mifflin were also extremely well-to-do. Most of the others had financial resources that ranged from good to excellent. Among those with the most straitened circumstances were Baldwin, Brearly, Broom, Few, Madison, Paterson, and Sherman, though they all managed to live comfortably.

A considerable number of the men were born into leading families: Blair, Butler, Carroll, Houstoun, Ingersoll, Jenifer, Johnson, Livingston, Mifflin, Gouverneur Morris, both Pinckneys, Randolph, Rutledge, Washington, and Wythe. Others were self-made men w ho had risen from humble beginnings: Few, Franklin, Gorham, Hamilton, and Sherman.

dunamai.com

Wow, look at all those farmers on the list. LOL! You are trying to re-write history to fit your agenda.

Diz-



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (103251)7/16/2007 11:10:53 PM
From: Norrin Radd  Respond to of 173976
 
"...The Senate will have its first up-or-down vote on restoring habeas corpus this week, as early as Tuesday. Inside sources say the vote will be close and many senators are undecided. Your senators need to know where constituents like you stand.

This is a critical moment. Call your senators now -- urge them to vote to restore habeas corpus:
action.aclu.org.

When the President signed the Military Commissions Act of 2006, both he and the Congress that passed it effectively eliminated habeas rights for certain people and turned their backs on democratic values and the Constitution.

Congress is finally taking action to reverse the damage done by years of assaults on our civil liberties. Senators Leahy and Specter have offered S.A. 2022, an amendment to the defense authorization bill to restore the fundamental constitutional right of habeas corpus.

Please call your senators and tell them to vote "YES" on
amendment S.A. 2022 to the defense authorization bill:
action.aclu.org.

No president should ever be given the sole power to call someone an enemy and lock him or her away with no end in sight, but that is exactly the power the Bush administration has claimed.

Tell your senators to vote "YES" on restoring habeas corpus:
action.aclu.org.

With the White House working overtime to defeat this amendment, we need as many calls as we can possibly muster.

We need to remind Congress to stand firmly behind the Constitution and the checks and balances that make us a democracy, not a dictatorship. So please, call today:
action.aclu.org.

Then, forward this message to everyone you know who cares about preserving our Constitution and our rights.

Together, we can right this terrible wrong.

Sincerely,

Caroline Fredrickson
Director
ACLU Washington Legislative Office

P.S. In an editorial Sunday, The New York Times outlined what lies ahead in our fight to restore the Constitution:

"This week, the Senate will consider a bill that would restore to the prisoners of Guantánamo Bay the right to challenge their detention in court.

... Congress did harm enough by tolerating Mr. Bush's lawless
detainee policies, and then by passing the Military Commissions Act. Giving the president a dictator's power to select people for detention without charges on American soil would be an utter betrayal of their oath to support and defend the Constitution, and of the founders' vision of America."

Public outrage is nearing a tipping point. Your phone call could be the one that moves your senator to vote "yes" on restoring our Constitution.

Take Action: Tell your senators to restore habeas corpus:
action.aclu.org.

Read Sunday's New York Times editorial here:
action.aclu.org.

For a response to the editorial and ongoing updates on the fight to restore habeas corpus, check out our find habeas blog here:
action.aclu.org;