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To: Elroy who wrote (236705)	7/17/2007 10:42:42 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

You need a nixon/china moment for your gaza plan to work. Because of their terrorist/rejectionist history, hamas would have to be the one to take the first step. If terror and rocket attacks are stopped, the two still hostile sides can get on with making life more tolerable for both peoples, particularly the gazans. Given its location, Gaza could become another lebanon, both in the best and worst connotations. As far as land for peace on the WB goes, regardless of what Mike O'Neill says, that could be resolved easliy. Fatah as you point out has been nothing more than a criminal gang throughout its history. Like the arab state, the misery of the palestinians has created a leadership of welfare cheats, missppropriating funds designed to go to the pals for their own personal aggrandizement. Fatah must change its stripes for anything good to happen for West Bankers. I would like to see Jordan absorb the West Bank along with a US funded Marshall plan for the area. Again borders can easily be adjusted with israel, once security is in place. Contingous settlements can remain. Jerusalem needs to be open in some fashion and right of return must be dealt with even if only sympolically. Any land not returned needs to be made up by ceding other land to make it fair.

To: Elroy who wrote (236705)	7/17/2007 11:05:33 AM
From: Lou Weed	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

<<When you win wars you take land. That's totally normal throughout history.>> When you take land, you occupy an indigenous population that's not particularly fond of said occupation. In order for a peace to be brokered a return of all or a major portion of that land is essential. That's also totally normal throughout history...... I agree 100% with you on the support for the duly elected Hamas. That's never going to happen with the boneheads we have in power right now.....the only hope is for a more open administration in '09 to get the process rolling again.