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Politics : Ask Michael Burke -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Freedom Fighter who wrote (108463)	7/18/2007 4:55:48 AM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 132070

>>Some of your claims are also clearly false, though they must sound great to a hate filled audience.<< you make an accusation, yet you fail to mention even one example so we can debate the merits. please name one so we can discuss it. we can go from there, b/c i truly feel on very solid ground in what i've said. >>There are a small percentage of bad priests and an even smaller number of pastors, bishops, and cardinals that were in a position to do something about their actions, but did not. Those percentages are consistent with other churches, institutions, and general society. That's the unfortunate reality.<< i disagree. i know about the problems and i'm not catholic. never have been. darn near the entire literate world knows about the cover ups and extended abuse enabled by guys like mahoney and cardinal law. where are the protests from the catholic clergy that go on day after day trying to force the catholic leadership to do what is right and remove child rapists from access to children and to remove those who cover up for child rapists from church leadership positions? that could help force the issue AND BRING JUSTICE TO FUTURE CHILDREN, NO? where are those events? apparently, these folks don't think the children are worth the effort, OTHERWISE, THEY'D MAKE THE EFFORT! i'm sure some have and they were probably kicked out of the church. i searched and couldn't find any google hits, though. maybe nobody did complain. perhaps they went the "good little minion" route like the majority of catholic priests. cwnews.com Oct. 27, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Both Church and government leaders in Ireland have been shaken by the October 25 publication of a report showing a systematic failure to curb sexual abuse by priests in the Diocese of Ferns. The report, prepared under the direction of former Supreme Court Judge Frank Murphy, uncovered more than 100 allegations of abuse by 26 priests of the Ferns diocese. The report covered the years between 1962 and 2002; it was based on a government investigation that lasted more than 2 years. The report on the Ferns investigation faulted police and local officials for their failure to follow up aggressively on complaints of sexual abuse. But the most scathing criticism was leveled against Church leaders who covered up charges, silenced accusers, and ordained "clearly unsuitable men into the priesthood." snapnetwork.org At least three priests with documented records of sexual misconduct or who settled lawsuits over accusations of sexual abuse are still working in Twin Cities pulpits or archdiocesan positions. ... The lawsuit led to disclosure of even more explosive information: archdiocese records showing that the priest had engaged in a series of illicit affairs with adult women in his parishes. >>We expect more from priests, rabbis, ministers, school teachers, psychologists, day care center personnel etc... but sometimes they don't deliver<< my issue isn't so much with the abusers themselves, it is with the systematic cover up policies by the catholic church IMPLEMENTED ALL OVER THE WORLD. past abuse is over and done. systematic catholic child rape cover ups are in full effect TODAY! >>I say "to hell with bad ones". << the catholic leadership is bad for... 1. implementing policies that put child rapists in contact with the children of unsuspecting parents and unsuspecting children. 2. for the implementation of a still existing worldwide policy to cover up child sex rape. apparently, you have a mental block to the concept of what i see as crystal clear immorality in CURRENT CHURCH POLICIES. >>However, some rotten apples does not make make an entire institution rotten regardless of whether we are talking about priests, teachers, rabbis, day care centers, psychologists, etc... And making accusations does not make them right. Studies done by neutral parties have a least some chance of being right.<< i didn't accuse all those people. i accused the leadership of the catholic church of devising and implementing immoral polices regarding child rapists... they are immoral b/c they develop immoral policies to cover up child sex rape... immoral is ans immoral does... i also lump in the church leadership that stood idly by and continue to allow this kind of immorality go on without taking a stand for what is moral, just and right. >>If you don't get that, to hell with you too.<< you claim this isn't an emotional issue to you, but your words tell a very different story. >>You'll never understand your prejudice or what I am saying. You are too filled with hate of the institution.<< no, i hate the actions of child rapists (don't you?) and i hate the actions of those who implement WORLDWIDE POLICIES to protect child rapists (don't you?) and provide for plenty of ongoing fertil ground for child rapists to continue raping children (don't you?). i think you agree to everything i've listed with a "don't you?", yet you still don't seem to be able to assign accountability to PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for such an IMMORAL POLICY to cover up immoral and illegal and evil behavior. i suppose you'd take the same soft view on the catholic leadership if they covered up for drug dealer priests givign crack to 10 year olds? what about if they covered up for priests who set up child sex slave rings? what if they covered up for priest serial killers? where do yuo draw the line, since you seem to be saying that a policy created to cover up for child rapists DOES NOT reflect on the policy makers? do please name one thing i've said is false. please be specific, i'd like a chance to respond to your accusation.