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To: neolib who wrote (236922)	7/18/2007 12:09:12 PM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 281500

Arafat was no Ghandi An understatement of enormous proportions. On the other hand, the Israeli concession were well shy of enormous. Disagree. My point is that reasonable Pal behavior would get good Israeli concessions, and brilliant Pal behavior and strategy would in fact obtain enormous Israeli concessions, even if those concessions came grudgingly, especially from certain quarters of the Jewish population. That is the asymmetry. Good Jewish behavior is not going to get good Pal behavior, because the Pals have too few of their population who would respond in that way. Bingo! You get it. The nature of the Pal stupidity in a few pithy words. All it takes is some showing of reasonableness and the willingness to deal and the Israelis would rush to the negotiating table. Facing obtuse intransigence and a formalized commitment to their country's destruction, why should the Israelis do anything? all the real estate in Palestine is much more valuable BECAUSE all those Jews are there. It could be a positive sum game for the region, not a negative sum game. Agree.

To: neolib who wrote (236922)	7/18/2007 1:20:16 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Despite the fact that I never forget that Israel is in fact guilty of being a "land thief" I also don't fail to realise that the Arabs, if they would only chose to think a little more clearly, should realise that all the real estate in Palestine is much more valuable BECAUSE all those Jews are there. That's certainly how about half of the "indigenous" Palestinians wound up in Palestine - they came from Syria or Egypt seeking economic opportunities that existed only in Palestine because of Zionist development. But the Arabs are like someone who sells what he thinks is a useless patch of swamp to some foolish investor, then is outraged when he sees the investor drain the swamp and turn it into farms and subdivisions. Then he says the investor is a thief who stole the land. Then he tries to take the land back. Israel is no more a land thief, and much less, than any other country. What people point to as 'proof' are actions taken for self-preservation during a war where they would have been slaughtered if they had lost, or settlements built on government land taken in defensive wars. People who conveniently don't learn the history point to these things as "theft". The history is so complicated, the Pals provide a much simpler story.