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To: neolib who wrote (237076)	7/19/2007 12:37:23 AM
From: bentway	Respond to of 281500

I can't speak for the Arabs in Palestine, but for most of the NA, the concept of "owning" land was as silly as "owning" the sky.

To: neolib who wrote (237076)	7/19/2007 12:55:01 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The British decided that a recent large influx of people with the promise of many more to come should count as equal with the rights of those who had lived there for generations The flux was both Arab and Jewish, neolib. It's true there had never been a Jewish state there since Roman times, but there hadn't been Arab rule either since about 1600. Everybody forgets what an underpopulated backwater the place was in the 19th century. It was not farfetched to think back then that Jewish nationalism could be an ally of Arab nationalism, or that Arabs, who had immense spaces but few people, could allow Jewish hegemony in a lightly populated region of the Syrian hinterlands. It would have been mutually profitable. You have a hangup for obvious reasons on the concept of a State. That is the same sort of reasoning that says the USA was not stolen from the NA, because the NA didn't have the same concept of land ownership that the new immigrants brought with them, hence they didn't really own their own country It's a very important idea to the self-organization of a people on a large scale. It's essential for societal organization beyond the scale achievable by tribes and petty kingdoms - what is usually deemed "civilization". It would have been extremely difficult for English settlers in North America, even if they had had good will towards the natives, to recognize the land claims inherent in 2000 people riding through 5 million acres once every year or so. The two methods of societal organization are incompatible.