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To: kumar who wrote (237109)	7/19/2007 3:57:46 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 281500

If my historical memory is correct - there was no land to be "given" it was occupied land that was relinquished. The inhabitants of that land therefore had first claim on the land. Well Nadine often points out that the Ottoman empire controlled the land in question until the end of WW1, then the Brits ran/governed it until 1948. I don't think the Ottomans or Brits thought of themselves as "occupying" some other governmental entity's land; rather, it was theirs with an assortment of unTurkish and non-British residents.

To: kumar who wrote (237109)	7/19/2007 4:19:10 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Kumar, the inhabitants of land don't necessarily own it, or have first or any claim on it. Many times I have been a tenant and did not in the slightest think I "owned" the property which I occupied. Even now, I don't own my house and land. It is held by me in fee simple. The Crown owns it and I'm a tenant in common. Eminent domain is held by Queen Elizabeth II which authority she delegates to parliament in New Zealand via the governor general. Indians in Fiji have lived on land for a hundred years, but it was leased. They didn't own it. When time was up, the local yokels booted them off. Same in Hong Kong. Britain had about a century of lease. China took it over again. Britain had to move out. Palestinians rented land from Ottoman landlords then got in a hissy fit when it was sold and they had to move out. Bad luck for them. Meanwhile, Islamic theology is that heathen infidels must bow before the great and mighty entitled Umma, or else. So Jews moving in was NOT going to go down well. Buying land in the midst of hostile foreigners is a dodgy idea. Maybe it seemed more peaceable there in the 19th century and early 20th century. I have been tempted to buy land in China and India. But China has already, once, turfed out my ancestors and confiscated everything, so they are likely to do it again. Buying land there is asking for trouble. Suppose I bought all of Taiwan, China would probably whine like a fleet of 747s and demand it back. A bit like Palestinians demanding Jews give back the land they bought [or won fair and square in wars started by the Arabs]. Mqurice