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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (237188)	7/19/2007 2:05:03 PM
From: Steve Dietrich	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Actually it has done some good. Israel used to be in a constant state of war with all of its neighbors. That's not true anymore. SD

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (237188)	7/19/2007 2:15:29 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 281500

" Israel has been contracting for 40 years in the hopes of peace, much good it has done." The BIG lie technique!

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (237188)	7/19/2007 2:57:36 PM
From: Lou Weed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<Now you are making stuff up.>> So Israel is not building settlements in the WB?!? I see.....when you are countered with a valid point your tactic is to accuse the other person of making stuff up, completely change the topic or to make up an inference from something totally unrelated to the said point. Once one or more of the three is created, then the tangent is set for more rambling. Nice......

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (237188)	7/19/2007 3:04:13 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 281500

The underlying problem for Jews and Israel is that Arabs are breeding in Malthusian style, as in olde-style biological red in tooth and claw Hobbesian winner takes all style, as all humans did until some time last century as contraception became normal. In all tribes, it was important to have LOTS of children, because the tribe with the most, smartest, toughest young males would win the next war, kill off the opposing males, take over the females and land, breed flat out, and go on to win some more. Genghis Khan covered a LOT of ground. Gangs formed for the purpose of conquest. Joining the biggest gang was an excellent idea for an individual male because being on the receiving end of rock, sword, musket, AK47, or nuke is not conducive to continued breeding. There are hordes of Arabs and other Moslems with value near-zero or negative. The best thing they can do for their gang is hurl themselves against the Jews and other infidels. Jews on the other hand are in a different world. Jews do not operate like that and very few of them have low or no value. Jews aim to have HIGH value and are good at achieving that. I guess that the Jewish imprisonment rate is very low, just as Chinese in prison in New Zealand was unheard of until immigration over the last 10 years. I shall ask Google. I didn't get the answer, but something like 7000 to 10000 in the USA rickross.com 6.5 million Jews in the USA. simpletoremember.com So that's about 1 in 1000 Jews in prison. That's low. Negroes have a LOT more than that. Note that the Jews in prison have a rescue organisation - they are still considered to have value and presumably are to be brought back to civilisation. Arabs and Jews have different ways of life. One is out-breeding the other and succeeding by force - killing opposition. The other lives by creating value for other people. Knowing the USA propensity to imprison people, I imagine that most of the Jews who are there are not there for serial killing, armed robbery of banks etc. Probably they are more like Martha Stewart - borderline illegal or victimless crimes or some such. It's impossible to live legally in modern societies as the law books are too vast to comply with. Even the lawyers have no idea what all the laws are and even during long deliberation, courts reverse each other up to the Supreme Court who give a split decision and change the laws on the hoof and at a whim. Until Arabs and Moslems decide to aim for value and free exchange of ideas and property among consenting adults, rather than violence, and Jihad, conflict will continue. As soon as they ditch the Jihad, which is required in the Koran, they cease to be Moslems. Quite a dilemma for them. Maybe they will do like Christians and pay lip service to the Bible and treat it like a social club. Bill Clinton clutches his bible and went to church, but his interest was clutching the girls in the vestibule, getting to know them, in a biblical way. Mqurice