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To: jttmab who wrote (237351)	7/20/2007 6:04:03 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I strongly disagree with your use of the word "willingly". If a woman is being raped and does not fight back out of fear for her life she is not willingly participating in the act. You are wrong to say that the Jews were willing participants in their being herded into concentration camps. This is truly an attack on their humanity.

To: jttmab who wrote (237351)	7/20/2007 9:17:30 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It is incorrect because the Jews did not go "willingly". I had hoped your first post on this was just unfortunate hyperbole, but I guess not. As you probably know, many Jews just couldn't believe that the Germans were going to do anything quite so extreme as killing them. In fact, people all over the world couldn't believe the Germans would do that. Rumors circulated about the killing of the Jews, and most people didn't believe it- which is why it was such a shock at the end of the war when the camps were liberated. People who live in a country, and consider themselves "indigenous", are reluctant to believe their friends and neighbors will suddenly stand by as they are slaughtered in their homes, or are carted away to be slaughtered elsewhere. The same thing happened in Rwanda- where people were slow to believe that the growing menace of hatred would really turn in to mass murder. Rather than "going willingly" desperate Jews tried to escape, and sent their children in to hiding with gentiles who shielded them. Those who did not, often simply did not believe that the Germans could be so depraved. Calling that kind of optimism about human beings "willingness to be slaughtered" is sick. While it is naive not to realize that humans can be horrible, changeable, and murderous, and while you can say that the Jews who did not leave when they could were naive, that naivete is hardly a signal that they were willing to be slaughtered. Your comments are not just revolting, they are quite clearly factually wrong.