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To: longnshort who wrote (213064)	7/22/2007 6:13:40 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794268

I don't know if you either can't or refuse to follow the logical discussion that has occurred on the terminology. Killing children has nothing to do with the defining of the term. As C2 said, it merely falls into a particular obscene and brutal subset, one which offends our sensibilities. We find it repugnant to apply the word to anything so despicable, even when the action technically fits one of the definitions.

To: longnshort who wrote (213064)	7/23/2007 2:03:02 AM
From: Constant Reader	Respond to of 794268

That you or I don't like what they do does not make them more or less of a martyr in the eyes of those who they did it for, provided those who they did it for accord the status. (As opposed to it being claimed by the actor, as in the VT case, on behalf of a group or groups completely unmoved or uninterested except to express condemnation. Then, like the VT killer, he's a failure, not a martyr. It does seem to me, however, that such a low threshold for the term and that so many have been acclaimed as martyrs as to render the word virtually meaningless in any language for some time to come.