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To: wbmw who wrote (236956)	7/24/2007 12:14:50 PM
From: BUGGI-WO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

[edited]@WBMW Thanks for your thoughts, but I think this line is the major topic of your message: " Fusion is a mainstream play, not a high end play. It will enable better integrated graphics " which assumes one point, which is ex ante not right. Why? Is anyone here, how knows, what IGP performance Intel and/or Nvidia will have at the given timeframe, when AMD will be able to launch, if ever? So, it could and should be, that a Fusion product is better than a AMD CPU on an AMD IGP setup, but is that package also faster than the fastest Nvidia and/or Intel IGP setup at that future point? You should take that into account and I'm sure, that at least Nvidia will have a very compelling product on the shelfes even if that will consume a few more mm^2 - be prepared. edit: I'm not sure, what Intel plans to do, but if they step up to much never nodes also on the chipset side, they will be able to do nice things. 65nm at 2008 is a safe bet, is Intel "able" to do 45nm for some "special" chipsets in 2008 already? BUGGI

To: wbmw who wrote (236956)	7/24/2007 1:04:23 PM
From: TGPTNDR	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

wbmw, re: Fusion means that the CPU and GPU have to come out at the same beat rate. > Why? Do not, or have not, CPUs had different beat rates for their various parts? -tgp

To: wbmw who wrote (236956)	7/24/2007 1:48:27 PM
From: romus	Respond to of 275872

Fusion means that the CPU and GPU have to come out at the same beat rate. AMD cannot double the number of tapeouts to produce Fusion chips with CPUs being updated at different times than GPUs. Just think of the floating point unit. Years ago, this used to be separate, but when Intel integrated it onto the CPU, they had to work within the constraints of an integrated design. Integrating the GPU will be similar, IMO. At the same beat rate? Why? With a new set of instructions and libraries to come Fusion might have good chances to rule mobile and mainstream markets.