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To: wbmw who wrote (236979)	7/24/2007 4:26:29 PM
From: TGPTNDR	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Hay, Wanna-b, Re: Hey Pretender, you can criticize my analysis all you want, but I don't see you or anyone else coming up with a better one....>> Who's criticizing your analysis? I was criticizing Charlie's use of you, on IHUB while pointing to SI, as a source. Think of a movie title that fits. If you want to point me to something you posted here I'll have a look... From my point of view Intels objective in having you, Paul, and Elmer hang around here handing out Fish Bait is solely to clog the thread. I'll give you that you're not as obnoxious as Paul and have more brains than Elmer in that you are including mostly truth, these days, with only a couple bits of BS in most of your posts. Lots better than when you were a raw flack 6 or so years ago. Member 3642991 Password lost or something else the problem? Must Read Indeed. Tired crap from a paid by the word hack! Did you even bother to read it? Will you be quoting Jim Craimer(SP?) next? And, Who were those Three, Wanna-be, who "really validates for me the opportunity to make money at the expense of some AMD long investors."? Why don't you count them out for us and we'll see how good your surmises are? -tgp

To: wbmw who wrote (236979)	7/24/2007 4:36:10 PM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

>> but people here pretend to be educated enough Were you expecting something else from a pretender ? anyway, re >> If it's not leakage and process variation, tell me what it is.... If your conclusion is in the ball-park, then AMD's difficulties will get worse at 45 nm. Especially if they are forced into using 3rd party fabs. I don't expect AMD to achieve power savings, nor performance increase from 45 nm in '08. It looks like AMD needs to stay at a node for a long time to master it. That's why Intel is hurrying up the pace.

To: wbmw who wrote (236979)	7/24/2007 4:40:58 PM
From: pgerassi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Dear Wbmw: You say you like debate, but your style leaves a lot to be desired. As to what could be keeping Barcelona clocks low, it has been suggested to be speed path issues. Else they could raise clocks by cooling the CPU more, if it was a thermal problem like the Intel IDF demos with phase change cooling or LN2. Speed path issues can be hard to find and thus, fix. But once done, speeds can shoot up in a single step. Tbred-A was such an animal. It turned out to be needing more decoupling capacitors on the die. 4% more die area and it ran 600MHz faster (1.8 -> 2.4GHz). If the same was true for Barcelona, we could see jumps of 600 to 800MHz in one stepping (to 2.6-3.0GHz). Given that at 55W TDPmax, Barcelona HE runs at 1.8GHz already, it doesn't appear to be thermally limited. Pete