Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (103813)	7/24/2007 4:44:21 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"By resorting to argument ad hominem you reveal just how weak your position is. If you are going to continue whining about that you would be wise to follow your own advice to avoid being called a hypocrite or something.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (103813)	7/24/2007 4:55:10 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"If a madman was after you, would you go to your neighbor's house so as to fight him there instead of at your house where your family might get hurt? Would you call that strategy noble?" As with most of your complaints you have mischaracterised the situation in typical partisan transparency. If a madman had declared one of his goals to be my slaughter, I would definitely go to where ever he was causing trouble to confront him. If I was doing something at the neighbors and he showed up there with intentions to do something heinous at the neighbors, I wouldn't hesitate to take him on under those circumstances and would prefer that to inviting him into my home. If he threatened to bring his uncle, his cousins etc I'd tell him to bring em all and bring it on. Your claim that we did something ignoble to the Iraqis is flawed. Al-Qaeda picked the battle ground and we recognized the benefits of taking them on there. I don't think Iraqis should be grateful for the choices terrorists have made to come to their country and fight us. It is unfortunate for them, but you seem to think they should blame America for terrorism. Some might be like you and resent America for the violence of Al-Qaeda. There are, after all some Iraqis who've hosted/supported them, similar to what you do with your rhetoric. At what point do you hold terrorists responsible for their acts?

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (103813)	7/24/2007 6:53:37 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"Colin Powell says Iraq is in a Civil War. Is he an informed person who takes Iraq seriously?" That was a while ago and like most things you have to remove a lot of context to make such statements fit into your flawed reasoning. We can definitely refer to insurgencies using the word 'civil' and 'violence'. Although some of the smaller sectarian battles take on the flavor of war they have not manifest into open warfare of one region of the country against the other. Most commonly we reserve the term 'civil war' for situations where there are two opposing armies each intending to secure a country under their idea of government. That isn't the case in Iraq ... yet. Even if we were to stretch the idea of the current violent disputes between civil factions to make it fit some definition of civil war, your insistance that there is no National Government in Iraq, and that this 'civil war' is all that exists, even that this is what Iraq 'wants' exposes your claim as an obvious partisan extremism and fraudulent.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (103813)	7/24/2007 7:08:59 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"As i said before, Iraq has only ever been held together by force, never by will. You can't change that fact ... I haven't tried to change it because it is so simplistic and flawed that it becomes meaningless. All modern governments are held together by force. What was Saddam's regime held together by? What modern government do you imagine would stand without any police, security force, or military? The goal of the current government is to establish a strong enough security force so that the government elected by the will of the people will stand. The majority voted and elected that government. You seem to have a big problem with that. Tough, your extremists are enemies to the government elected by the people of Iraq and to America.