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To: Sam who wrote (238002)	7/26/2007 7:13:41 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Media Spin on Iraq: We’re Leaving (Sort of) commondreams.org

To: Sam who wrote (238002)	7/26/2007 7:32:39 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The successes in Anbar are not the result of the surge, the successes predate the surge, the reports of the switch began, if I recall correctly, sometime last fall--this success is the result of the non-fundamentalist Sunnis getting fed up with fundamentalist crap and deciding that they simply had to get rid of the them Why won't you use your common sense? They could get fed up with the crap all they liked, it wouldn't make a difference if al Qaeda was the only outfit in town with big guns, organization, and utter ruthlessness. You think the Iraqis liked living under Saddam? Why didn't they just get fed up with his crap and throw him out? Because they couldn't. They didn't have the power. The Sunnis have the power - NOW - precisely and exactly because the Americans are on the ground working with them. And the Iraqi Army (by now outnumbering the Americans) is there too. But I'm glad to see you acknowledge that the Surge is having some success, even if it means you have to distance American troops from getting any credit for it. However, that doesn't mean that the implication of what Bush said earlier in the week was correct. It simply isn't the case that the group in Iraq poses the same threat as the group in Afghanistan/Pakistan, To repeat: AQ in Afghanistan/Pakistan says they are the part of the same group as AQI, and AQI agrees with them. AQI is staffed at the highest level with many of the same guys who are part of AQ. So on the basis of what evidence do you disbelieve them? What makes you insist they are not the same group and have different goals?