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To: American Spirit who wrote (75226)	7/27/2007 8:37:59 PM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

The truth hurts doesn't it. The Democrats (or at least most of them) dance to the tune of AIPAC and the Zionist lobby. They talk about "redeployment" not withdrawal. They refused to pass legislation requiring Bush to consult Congress before attacking Iran because that is what Israel wanted. Recent polls show that voters do not rate the Democratic Congress much better than Bush.

To: American Spirit who wrote (75226)	7/27/2007 8:46:35 PM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Is Obama also a liar for finally telling the truth about the revolting war mongering Hillary Clinton. Obama Says Clinton Has foreign Policy Like Bush’s by Steve Holland WASHINGTON - - Democrat Barack Obama accused Hillary Clinton on Thursday of backing a foreign policy toward hostile nations no different than U.S. President George W. Bush’s in an escalation of their war of words this week. Obama, an Illinois senator, fired back at New York Sen. Clinton for calling him “irresponsible and naive” for saying during a CNN/YouTube debate on Monday that he would be willing to meet without preconditions the leaders of Iran, Syria, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela during his first year in office. The dust-up between the two top contenders in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination in the November 2008 election has been the most dramatic spat thus far in the campaign. Clinton has tried to portray herself as the most experienced option among Democrats, far more prepared to be commander-in-chief than Obama, who has been in the U.S. Senate less than three years compared to her eight years as first lady to President Bill Clinton and senator since 2001. Clinton took a more cautious approach to a debate question about meeting troublesome world leaders, arguing the president should only meet with such leaders after lower-level diplomatic spadework is completed. Obama, in a conference call with reporters, said that is Bush’s position as well. “The Bush administration’s policy is to say that we will not talk to these countries unless they meet various preconditions. That’s their explicit policy,” Obama said. At the same time, Obama seemed to walk back a little bit from his debate position, saying diplomatic preparation would be necessary before presidential meetings. “Nobody expects that you would suddenly just sit down with them for coffee without having done the appropriate groundwork. But the question was, would you meet them without preconditions, and part of the Bush doctrine has been to say no,” he said. “You’ll have to ask Senator Clinton what differentiates her position from theirs,” Obama added. Bush considers Iran a brewing nuclear menace and has refused to meet Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But he has allowed U.S. diplomats to meet Iranians about U.S. charges that Iran is stirring up trouble in Iraq. He has allowed diplomatic contacts with North Korea, Syria and Venezuela while having no dealings with communist Cuba. Acting Cuban President Raul Castro said on Thursday he would welcome talks with the United States after Bush leaves office. Some Democrats believe Bush may have missed opportunities for diplomatic progress by refusing to meet some of these leaders. Critics say the president has alienated much of the world with a foreign policy they call arrogant, particularly with the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. Obama made a case for talking to leaders shunned by the United States. “The fact of the matter is when we talk to world leaders, it give us the opportunity to speak about our ideals, our values and our interests, and I am not afraid to have that conversation with anybody,” he said. He said if he were to sit down with the Iranian president, “I will send a strong message that Israel is our friend, that we will assist in their security and that we don’t find nuclear weapons acceptable as Iran is currently envisioning it.” “That’s not a propaganda coup for the president of Iran,” he said. He added that the debate over the issue was whether to pursue conventional thinking or consider new ideas.

To: American Spirit who wrote (75226)	7/27/2007 11:58:28 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Obama accuses Clinton of "bad judgment" _____________________________________________________________ Friday, July 27, 2007, 5:52 PM By O.Kay Henderson Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has escalated his war of words with rival Hillary Clinton in a spat over foreign policy. Clinton has accused Obama of being naive to suggest -- in response to a question during a debate -- that he'd meet with the leaders of North Korea, Iran and Syria. Obama fired back during an appearance Friday afternoon in Adel. "We can't keep on doing the same stuff all the time. You know, some of you noticed that this week I got into a debate with one of my colleagues who's also running for the presidency and the debate was about whether or not we talk to world leaders even when we don't like 'em and my theory was you do and you do it without preconditions," Obama said, to applause from the crowd. Obama was on the farm in Adel to outline his views on farm policy and his campaign staff had said Obama would not talk about the campaign flap unless asked by someone in the crowd. Obama, though, raised the issue himself without prompting. "Some of the pundits in Washington, they said, 'Oh, you know, that shows inexperience, that he'd be willing to talk to folks' and my attitude was what do we have to fear as Americans?" Obama said. "...If we know who we are, if we know what we stand for, then we shouldn't be afraid to meet anybody because we'll tell 'em what we believe and what makes this country great. They may not like what we have to say, but we're going to go ahead and speak to 'em about those issues." Earlier in the week Obama had characterized Clinton's approach to foreign policy as "Bush-Cheney Lite." Obama did not mention Clinton by name in Adel, but he did ridicule his rival's claim that she is the more experienced candidate. "So often in Washington, experience means doing what we've been doing over and over and over again. Well, to me that's not experience if what you're doing isn't working. It's bad judgment," Obama said. "And if you want to show good judgment, then you've got to be open to changing the way we do things in order to get different outcomes." Obama said the next president must be willing to try "new approaches" to foreign policy that "strengthen" America's diplomatic ties around the globe. You may listen to Obama's remarks in Adel by clicking on the audio link below. radioiowa.com