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To: carranza2 who wrote (213704)	7/28/2007 11:47:54 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793955

I find the Wheel Barrow and Double Wheel Barrow analogies incredibly compelling and well supported. I am not a fan of that analogy, but the overall column is right. You will notice that African Immigrants who come over now tend to do very well. I see where they now make up about 25% of the Black College Students. Again, self-selected. The problem with our black sub-culture was well laid out in "Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980" by Charles Murray. He was so "right on" about the effect of Johnson's "Great Society" that Academia today refuses to discuss it.

To: carranza2 who wrote (213704)	7/28/2007 3:32:45 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 793955

The Cubans who emigrated here initially were very much influenced by America's culture of success before they left Cuba. I don't presume to know whether successful Cubans became successful Americans because they had been become successful Cubans or because they were exposed to successful Americans while in Cuba. I understand your distinction but have no basis upon which to evaluate it. This Cuban effect was pointed out to me a few decades ago by an old beau who was with the NJ Education Dept. He spoke about some community across the Hudson from NY that was dominated by first wave Cubans. Their schools were the best in the state. He attributed it to the respect for education of that class of Cubans. That anecdote is all the info I bring to this topic. Not sufficient basis to form too strong an opinion. I find the Wheel Barrow and Double Wheel Barrow analogies incredibly compelling and well supported. I thought that the best part of the piece. His wheelbarrow, though, reminds me of Frederick Hertzberg's KITA, for Kick In The Ass. He differentiates "movement" from "motivation." If you use a carrot or a stick, you get movement, which is like the wheelbarrow. Motivation, OTOH, comes from within. You cannot motivate someone else, only move him. If you want continued movement, you have to keep adding on carrots or sticks. That was the single most brilliant and useful resonant thing I ever learned in all my management training and experience. So your Futurist's Wheel Barrow resonated with me. His Double Wheel Barrow is an interesting hypothesis. I'm not ready to jump on it but it's worth considering. Disagree and distinguish as LB frowns. As for LB frowning, I think I may start responding only to comments that are on point. I hung around with Neocon so much years ago and he was of the opinion that not responding to any post was rude. I never carried it to the extreme that he did but I have tried to respond to most everything. Maybe it's time to reconsider my standard for rudeness.