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To: Sully- who wrote (61340)7/28/2007 2:19:31 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 90947
 
Re: Gonzales

Rich Lowry
The Corner

This time I think he's just being smeared. We'll have editorial up in the morning. From the parts of the transcript I've read he was badgered in a way meant to obscure the reasonable distinctions he was trying to make and set up this perjury accusation. Nasty stuff...

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To: Sully- who wrote (61340)7/28/2007 3:24:13 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 90947
 
Gonzales Has Lost So Much Credibility That He Is No Longer Believed Even When He Is Telling the Truth

Kathryn Jean Lopez
The Corner

Did the attorney general perjure himself this week? We think not. From today's editorial:
    The administration’s surveillance of terrorists has, 
however, undergone several modifications over the period
since September 11, and some of the details remain secret.
Gonzales’s phrasing was careful, and it was careful
because he was trying to avoid disclosing those details.
Here's a bit from the Senate hearing transcript, to show you what we're talking about:

<<< SEN. SCHUMER: Let me ask you about some specific reports. It's been reported by multiple news outlets that the former number two man in the Justice Department, the premier terrorism prosecutor, Jim Comey, expressed grave reservations about the NSA program, and at least once refused to give it his blessing. Is that true?

ATTY GEN. GONZALES: Senator, here's a response that I feel that I can give with respect to recent speculation or stories about disagreements. There has not been any serious disagreement, including — and I think this is accurate — there's not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed.

There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations, which I cannot get into. I will also say —

SEN. SCHUMER: But there was some — I'm sorry to cut you off. But there was some dissent within the administration, and Jim Comey did express at some point — that's all I asked you — some reservation.

ATTY GEN. GONZALES: The point I want to make is that, to my knowledge, none of the reservations dealt with the program that we're talking about today. They dealt with operational capabilities that we're not talking about today.

SEN. SCHUMER: I want to ask you again about — I'm just — we have limited time.

ATTY GEN. GONZALES: Yes, sir.

SEN. SCHUMER: It's also been reported that the head of the Office of Legal Counsel, Jack Goldsmith, a respected lawyer and professor at Harvard Law School, expressed reservations about the program. Is that true?

ATTY GEN. GONZALES: Senator, rather than going individual by individual —

SEN. SCHUMER: No, I think we're — this is —

ATTY GEN. GONZALES: — let me just say that I think differing views that have been the subject of some of these stories does not — did not deal with the program that I'm here testifying about today.

SEN. SCHUMER: But you are telling us that none of these people expressed any reservations about the ultimate program. Is that right?

ATTY GEN. GONZALES: Senator, I want to be very careful here, because, of course, I'm here only testifying about what the president has confirmed. And with respect to what the president has confirmed, I believe — I do not believe that these DOJ officials that you're identifying had concerns about this program. >>>

More from the editorial:
    The Democrats say that to defend Gonzales on these terms 
is to play games with words. But what was Gonzales
supposed to say? The controversy about which he was
testifying was the existing surveillance program. He could
have said that an earlier version of it had provoked
controversy: But given that the administration’s
(defensible) position was that publicizing the program’s
existence in the first place had jeopardized it, it would
have been impossible to say that without inviting further
questions that would have revealed more details about the
program.
    It is a convoluted story; and much of it is beside the 
point. The country is at war. The commander-in-chief and
his agents have to be able to listen in on the enemy. Our
surveillance appears to have played an important role in
disrupting at least two terrorist plots. But our ability
to wage this part of the war has gotten progressively
weaker as it has continued. The program narrowed first
because of legal objections by the Justice Department, and
then because of the political fallout from the New York
Times’s reporting. We fear that it will grow weaker still
now, because Democrats who ought to know better insist on
playing “gotcha” with the attorney general.

Read the whole editorial here.
article.nationalreview.com

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To: Sully- who wrote (61340)7/28/2007 3:30:01 PM
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Perjury Trap

By The Editors
National Review Online

In March, we argued that Alberto Gonzales should step down, or be told to step down, as attorney general. “He cannot defend the administration and its policies even when they deserve defense,” we wrote. This week we saw just how much credibility he has lost: He is no longer believed even when he is telling the truth.

Democrats are claiming that Gonzales perjured himself in testimony before the Senate, and are calling for a special counsel to investigate. In the disputed testimony, from February 2006, Gonzales was talking about the Terrorist Surveillance Program. He said that “there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed.”

The Democrats say that this was untrue, because there was a lot of intra-administration strife about the National Security Administration’s surveillance of terrorists. In 2004, for example, John Ashcroft (at that time the attorney general), Gonzales (at that time the White House counsel), and other officials sparred over the program in Ashcroft’s hospital room. Ashcroft and his aides thought that the NSA was going beyond its authorization. Only in 2007 did this episode come to light.

The administration’s surveillance of terrorists has, however, undergone several modifications over the period since September 11, and some of the details remain secret. Gonzales’s phrasing was careful, and it was careful because he was trying to avoid disclosing those details.

As best as we can tell, here is how events unfolded. After September 11, the NSA began running wiretaps on suspected al Qaeda operatives. The surveillance program was reauthorized every 45 days. In 2004, however, Justice Department officials, for the first time, raised legal objections to the scope of the program. The resulting dispute within the administration led to the famous hospital scene, after which President Bush sided with the Justice Department officials and narrowed the program. Many months later, the New York Times revealed the existence of this now-narrowed program; President Bush then confirmed its existence and named it the “Terrorist Surveillance Program”; and Gonzales defended it.

When Gonzales said that “there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed,” then, he was referring to the later, narrowed version of terrorist surveillance, and as far as we know he was correct. Other disputed Gonzales comments appear to follow the same basic pattern.

Thursday afternoon, the press and the Democrats started to play up testimony by FBI director Robert Mueller about the hospital-room meeting, testimony that supposedly contradicts Gonzales. But all Mueller said was that the meeting concerned a legal disagreement over the NSA’s surveillance. If our account of the chronology of the program is correct, there is no contradiction here.

The Democrats say that to defend Gonzales on these terms is to play games with words. But what was Gonzales supposed to say? The controversy about which he was testifying was the existing surveillance program. He could have said that an earlier version of it had provoked controversy: But given that the administration’s (defensible) position was that publicizing the program’s existence in the first place had jeopardized it, it would have been impossible to say that without inviting further questions that would have revealed more details about the program.

It is a convoluted story; and much of it is beside the point. The country is at war. The commander-in-chief and his agents have to be able to listen in on the enemy. Our surveillance appears to have played an important role in disrupting at least two terrorist plots. But our ability to wage this part of the war has gotten progressively weaker as it has continued. The program narrowed first because of legal objections by the Justice Department, and then because of the political fallout from the New York Times’s reporting. We fear that it will grow weaker still now, because Democrats who ought to know better insist on playing “gotcha” with the attorney general.

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To: Sully- who wrote (61340)7/28/2007 4:44:53 PM
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I must be missing something

Betsy's Page

In all the controversy over which NSA program Alberto Gonzales talked about with John Ashcroft while Ashcroft was in the hospital with Senators insisting that Gonzales perjured himself because he denied that they discussed one specific NSA terrorist surveillance plan, why don't the senators call Ashcroft and ask him?

And why are they refusing to go into closed session so Gonzales can tell them about what he's referring to since Gonzales says that that information has not yet been made public and so has to be given in a secure briefing?

Could it be that the Democrats leading the charge to make it seem that Gonzales committed perjury aren't really interested in getting information, but prefer the public appearance of Gonzales having lied? Nyah. They couldn't be that cynical about national security, could they?

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To: Sully- who wrote (61340)7/28/2007 5:28:50 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 90947
 
    One of the purposes of the Democrats' frivolous probes 
into non-lawbreaking is to bait someone into making a
statement under oath that can be twisted into perjury.
It's the way special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's
investigation into the noncriminal Valerie Plame affair
snared Scooter Libby for having a lousy memory.

Holds No Watergate

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted Friday, July 27, 2007 4:20 PM PT

Congress: Legally unenforceable subpoenas, "scandals" involving no lawbreaking and baseless "perjury" charges. In wartime, and with lots of real work to do, these are the Democratic Congress' skewed priorities.

After issuing subpoenas Thursday to presidential adviser Karl Rove and a White House aide working for him, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy of Vermont took to the Senate floor to announce, "There is a cloud over this White House and a gathering storm."

Unlike most weather forecasters who get it wrong, Leahy can't claim to have good intentions. He and other top Democrats in both chambers have spent their nearly seven months in the majority trying to generate a fake storm that can destroy the Bush presidency.

The U.S. attorneys affair that Leahy is demanding Rove testify about — in defiance of the confidentiality vis-a-vis his staff that the Supreme Court has affirmed to be a president's right — is the most monumental non-scandal in Washington history. Under the law, a president can fire a Justice Department prosecutor because he doesn't like his tie.

Over on the other side of the Capitol, the House Judiciary Committee — chaired by one of Congress' most liberal members, Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, who has long wanted the president impeached — voted along party lines to cite former White House counsel Harriet Myers and current chief of staff Josh Bolten with criminal contempt for refusing to testify about the attorney firings.

One of the purposes of the Democrats' frivolous probes into non-lawbreaking is to bait someone into making a statement under oath that can be twisted into perjury. It's the way special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation into the noncriminal Valerie Plame affair snared Scooter Libby for having a lousy memory.

So now four Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats, led by New York's Charles Schumer, the Senate Democrats' chief fundraiser, demand an inquisitor for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

Even the judiciary panel's ranking Republican, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, who's been inexcusably disloyal to President Bush in the global war on terror, knows this is all just about destroying the president. "Sen. Schumer is not interested in looking at the record," Specter said. "He is interested in throwing down the gauntlet and making stories in tomorrow's newspapers."

FBI Director Robert Mueller, we are told, contradicted Gonzales in congressional testimony on Thursday regarding whether there was debate among Justice Department officials over the legality of the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance program. But we don't even know if they were referring to an old or revamped version of the program.

The very fact that Congress wants to grill White House officials on the weapons we need for security is outrageous, as it can give terrorists clues about such programs and dilute their effectiveness.

Leahy, Schumer, Conyers and other high-ranking congressional Democrats eager to concoct a 21st-century Watergate all realize that no one will be convicted of a crime in the attorneys matter. They also realize that the Roberts Court will end up siding with the president on both shielding White House officials from subpoenas and the legality of the NSA anti-terrorism program.

Yet they keep wasting the people's time and money. And they keep avoiding securing the border, dealing with the entitlement crisis, and all the other real work they could be doing in cooperation with the administration. For them, any chance at bringing down this president, however slim, is worth a try.

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To: Sully- who wrote (61340)7/30/2007 9:07:58 PM
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Alberto Gonzales Agonistes

By Clarice Feldman
The American Thinker

Democrats are playing political games with national security and mongering phony scandal. It amounts to a program of harassment of the Bush Administration's efforts to defend us against attack by uncovering terror plots using intelligence agencies.

It has been nothing short of a miracle that we have been spared another attack after 9/11; this has occurred through the Administration's use of various techniques almost all of which were leaked to the press. National security secrets were disclosed with no punishment to the leakers or publishers at all.

I'm talking about leaks of real national security significance -- the terrorist surveillance program and the operation of the "Swift" consortium to track and block terrorist financing, for example -- not the revelation of the identity of a non-covert CIA employee. Through it all, the President has labored to protect us from our enemies. And he has done so despite the media and Democrat efforts to make each and every useful program ineffective, by pinched readings of the law and selective damaging disclosures.

Now, the very Democrats who fought the programs and demanded a narrow reading of the law governing them are refusing to make the changes necessary to allow the programs to utilize our technological advantage in this sphere of an unconventional war. As the Wall Street Journal notes:


<<< At least a few Democrats realize they may be setting themselves up for trouble if there's another terrorist attack. House Intelligence Chairman Silvestre Reyes wrote to Mr. Bush last week saying he was "very concerned" about the program and urging the Administration to "devote all the resources necessary to ensure that we are conducting maximum surveillance of the terrorist target abroad."

Mr. Reyes went on to note that "FISA does not require a warrant for communications between two individuals outside the United States. If clarifications to the law are necessary, we are prepared to deal with this." That'll serve Mr. Reyes well as political cover if the next 9/11 Commission asks who ruined the terrorist surveillance program. But if he's serious about national security, he should send his next letter to Senate Democrats. >>>


But the very Senators who are in a position to fashion the necessary legal changes to make the surveillance programs work better are the same Senators who have been trying to force the Administration to publicly reveal the very last bit of the program which has not yet been leaked. They have been unsuccessful at it, and have used the straw horse issue of the firing of some US attorneys as a means of forcing the Attorney General to publicly divulge the information.

And since that has proved unsuccessful, they accused him of committing perjury when he explained what he could publicly about it. He's been vindicated, but the media and Democrats are doing their best not to mention it.

It's beyond serious dispute that, as Executive Branch appointments, the President can fire any US attorney he wishes to for any reason. Certainly it would be inappropriate if there were evidence-which despite countless hearings there is not-that the action was designed to interfere with a legitimate legal proceeding or inquiry. But the Democrats have failed to come close to establishing that there was a single thing inappropriate in these firings. That hasn't stopped Senate Judiciary Committee's Leahy and Schumer from harassing the Attorney General and his staff and, worse, suggesting that he lied to the Committee.

Once again, as in the Libby case, the principle players include Senator Charles Schumer and former Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey, two dramatis personae who regularly eat the scenery on the set. And once again the story is more glitter than gold.

I described the incident which has so obsessed Senator Schumer some time ago:
    The President delegated to the Attorney General the right 
to recertify every 45 days the legality of the NSA program
monitoring international terrorist contacts with persons
in the U.S. On 29 occasions since September 2001 Ashcroft
had done so. In the spring of 2004, new counsel was
engaged at the Department who found some problem in some
detail of the program and on March 4, 2004 (a week after
learning of the problem) Comey briefed Ashcroft about
this. That very day Ashcroft has hospitalized and
underwent emergency surgery. Another 5 days passed before
Comey, then serving as Acting Attorney General, mentioned
the problem to the White House. And when he got around to
telling them, he did not say it was about a detail in the
program, but rather he said they would refuse to recertify
the legality of this important program at all.
    Andrew Card and then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales 
went to the hospital to clarify this with Ashcroft, and
Comey dramatically recounted to the Committee how he
rushed there to be certain that they would not persuade
Ashcroft to change his mind. In his view, he was a
champion of civil liberties against the overreaching,
unseemly efforts of others. The President became
personally involved, reauthorized the program himself
pending NSA's reworking of the program to Comey's
satisfaction - which it did in one week's time. To my mind
Comey should have spent less time turf protecting and a
great deal more time on timely communications and teamwork
to resolve the issue without the need for his eleventh
hour dash to the hospital with sirens blaring.




Speaker Pelosi, in fact, has not disputed Gonzales' report that the majority of the Congressional leaders in attendance did support continuing the program despite Comey's objections-the fact that Gonzales wanted to convey to the sick Ashcroft.

The Gonzales-Schumer exchange on the subject of the Comey objections was, as Tom Maguire noted, heavily caveatted, as it must be to protect national security:


<<< It is clear from the testimony transcript that Gonzalez gave a heavily caveatted answer which Sen. Schumer found to be baffling and non-responsive:

SCHUMER: I concede all those points. Let me ask you about some specific reports.

It's been reported by multiple news outlets that the former number two man in the Justice Department, the premier terrorism prosecutor, Jim Comey, expressed grave reservations about the NSA program and at least once refused to give it his blessing. Is that true?

GONZALES: Senator, here's the response that I feel that I can give with respect to recent speculation or stories about disagreements.

There has not been any serious disagreement -- and I think this is accurate -- there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations which I cannot get into.

I will also say...

SCHUMER: But there was some -- I'm sorry to cut you off -- but there was some dissent within the administration. And Jim Comey did express, at some point -- that's all I asked you -- some reservations.

GONZALES: the point I want to make is that, to my knowledge, none of the reservations dealt with the program that we're talking about today. They dealt with operational capabilities that we're not talking about today.

SCHUMER: I want to ask you, again, about -- we have limited time.

GONZALES: Yes, sir.

SCHUMER: It's also been reported that the head of the Office of Legal Counsel, Jack Goldsmith, respected lawyer and professor at Harvard Law School, expressed reservations about the program. Is that true?

GONZALES: Senator, rather than going individual by individual, let me just say that I think the differing views that have been the subject of some of these stories did not deal with the program that I'm here testifying about today.

SCHUMER: But you were telling us that none of these people expressed any reservations about the ultimate program, is that right?

GONZALES: Senator, I want to be very careful here, because, of course, I'm here only testifying about what the president has confirmed.

And with respect to what the president has confirmed, I do not believe that these DOJ officials that you're identifying had concerns about this program.

SCHUMER: There are other reports, I'm sorry to -- you're not giving me a yes-or-no answer here. I understand that. >>>


Was the race to the bedside to continue a program Congressional leaders decided was significant and the Office of Legal Counsel of the DoJ had endorsed for 2½ years prior to a change in lawyers somehow untoward? When the issue first arose, Tom Maguire offered up an analogy that drives home the preposterous nature of Comey's behavior and the perfectly reasonable behavior of Gonzales:


<<< I will propose two thought experiments:

A Wall Street firm has a reasonably complicated financing structure requiring legal opinions; a typical deal takes about two months to come together, and the firm has done twenty such deals with the blessing of their outside counsel.

Now comes the twenty-first deal, and the law firm informs the Wall Street financiers, forty-eight hours before the scheduled close, that they can't sign the legal opinion. Has the relevant law changed? Nooo. Has the financing structure changed? Nooo. But a new partner at the law firm has looked at the structure and wants the deal tweaked slightly before he can sign off on it.

Take my word for it - there would be Hades to pay for this, and serious questions would be raised about the professionalism and timing of the law firm. Bring the problem sooner, or bring it for the twenty-second deal, but being obstructive at the last minute is not acceptable.

Or let's try an example closer to home for the Times and WaPo editors here - suppose their law firms came to them and informed them that, although no laws had changed, a new partner was worried about some privacy issues, so the Times would have to suspend its website in 48 hours or face dire legal risks.

I promise you - blood would flow at the Times, or wherever it was they finally found tracked down the new lawyer with the new problem >>>


Schumer has exploited this non-story so much that he surely is eligible for a milk producer subsidy. First he suggested there was something improper about continuing the program after one new lawyer in the Department perceived a problem that no one else had seen for 2½ years and one the Congressional leadership did not find persuasive enough to deprive us of its benefit. But then he suggested some ghoulish plot over the hospital bed to twist the arm of an ailing Attorney General. And now he claims the heavily caveatted testimony was deliberate perjury which required the appointment of another special prosecutor.

He ignores that the testimony as I've shown was carefully and admittedly circumscribed for good reason, that Senator Leahy of this Committee declined an opportunity to get more detail in an executive session (not public). Leahy, in effect, was trying to force Gonzales to blow what is probably the last still secret aspect of the surveillance program and when he didn't succeed, he and Schumer hint at perjury. And the press, twisting the words of FBI Director Mueller piled on. As NRO observes correctly:

    Thursday afternoon, the press and the Democrats started to
play up testimony by FBI director Robert Mueller about the
hospital-room meeting, testimony that supposedly
contradicts Gonzales. But all Mueller said was that the
meeting concerned a legal disagreement over the NSA's
surveillance. If our account of the chronology of the
program is correct, there is no contradiction here.
Because this outrageous behavior is so clearly turning off the voters, I'm loathe to give these bullies a hint-but the truth is, if the Committee really wants to know more about this insignificant DoJ dispute it can hold an executive session, or it can publicly call former Attorney General Ashcroft, Former Deputy Attorney General Comey, FBI Director Mueller and Congresswoman Pelosi to testify.

Some Democrats and their media allies long to re-live the glory days of Watergate, when the Democrats had a President in office who was engaged in wrongdoing. They managed to bring him down and cut off funding for an unpopular war back then.

Or they can move on and concede what we all know-for all the noise generated by manipulating a willing-to-be-gulled media, there is no pony in there.

Clarice Feldman is an attorney in Washington, DC and a frequent contributor to American Thinker.

americanthinker.com



To: Sully- who wrote (61340)7/31/2007 7:15:53 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 90947
 
Defending Alberto Gonzales -- why we bother

Power Line

None of us at Power Line is a fan of Alberto Gonzales. Not that long ago, we dreaded the prospect that he would be nominated for the Supreme Court, and I don't recall any of us being enthusiastic when President Bush named him Attonrey General. Nor do I believe he has distinguished himself in that job.

Why then do we bother to defend him when we believe he's being unfairly attacked? First, Senate Democrats and their MSM helpers have no more right to level unfair charges against Gonzales than they did against John Roberts and Sam Alito, notwithstanding the greater merit of these two men. A smear is a smear. Second, it's important (and clearly legitimate) to expose smears by the likes of Leahy, Schumer, and Feingold (and in this case, unfortunately, Specter) in order to diminish their credibility when it comes to future battles in which they engage in similar conduct..

What of the claim that Gonzales' troubles are impairing his ability to lead the Justice Department? Even if true, this claim would not excuse unfair attacks on Gonzales, but it would raise a serious independent issue. However, I see no basis for believing that the Justice Department is impaired. Is the Department's measurable output down. Is it suddenly losing too many cases? Perhaps, but I haven't seen the evidence. If the Dems or the MSM has such data, they should present it instead of trying to set perjury traps for Gonzales and falsely claiming that he has fallen into them.

One popular idea, even among Republicans, is to turn Gonzales' job over to a distinguished non-partisan figure who is "above reproach." The model here is Gerald Ford's appointment of University of Chicago Law School dean Edward Levi to be Attorney General in the aftermath of Watergate. But would the country be better off with that type of AG? A "Levi" type might listen more to the career people (i.e. Democrats) and work better with Congress (i.e., Democrats), but that's not sufficient reason for a Republican to support, or wish for, Gonzales' ouster.

Moreover, whatever his other flaws, Gonzales seems sound (i.e. hard-line) on issues relating to the war on terror. We know, for example, that he fought vigorously in favor of aggressive interrogation of terrorist detainees and aggressive surveillance of terrorists. Indeed, this is the primary way he earned the big target Senate Dems have painted on his back, mostly a badge of honor in my view. An "above the fray," bipartisan figure likely would strike the balance between protecting national security and upholding the alleged rights of terrorists and terror suspect in a far less congenial place (from my perspective) than Alberto Gonzales does.

None of this matters If Gonzales has committed perjury. But in the absence of evidence that he has, there's no reason why conservatives shouldn't defend Gonzales from unfair attack rather than averting their eyes and letting Leahy, Schumer, and Feingold have at him.

JOHN adds: I would add that the Democrats are bullies, and I don't like bullies.

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