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To: michael97123 who wrote (238440)	7/31/2007 8:02:27 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There are not two sides here, there is no side that wants peace. There are two sides that want anything but peace. The assumption that both you and Nadine make is that it is up to the "enemies of Israel" to sue for peace, which they will only do in the judgement of many here and in Israel once Israel has "subjucated" its enemies -- a word used by another poster on this thread today. In other words, the view here is that there will be thoughts of peace only after we have defeated our enemies on the battlefield and in the streets. Once we have their necks under our boot, then they we will think about peace. To do otherwise is to "surrender" and to be "weak". The argument continues that that is all Arabs know how to to, so Israel has no choice in this at all. From this I gather several things: There is no desire to search for peace, only victory and subjucation. There is no longer a belief that peace is possible even if you want it. There is no effort being made to look at what can be done, because there is no desire or conceptual capacity to seek solutions beyond the end of the barrel of a gun. If I am wrong, tell me about the visionary Israelis who seek peace and are presenting ideas about how to obtain it? I posted one and was lambasted for posting somebody who Nadine described as an "embarrassment to Israel". People who seek peace are an embarrassment to Israel? You tell me.