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To: Dan3 who wrote (83477)	8/5/2007 4:18:42 PM
From: Oblomov	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

That attitude is the road to ruin, and you're falling for a line being fed to you by people who are ignorant or worse. It isn't an "attitude". Bush Senior (who, no surprise, was an economist) and Clinton (who was numerically smart) were both orders of magnitude better leaders There's the key word. Since Wilson, we have not had "leaders", but rulers. What we have come to expect from our politicians are things that are unattainable. The ruling class comes in turn to regard the public as a perpetually adolescent mass, buffeted about unaware by its impulses and passions. As Mencken noted, "The most popular man under a democracy is not the most democratic man, but the most despotic man. The common folk delight in the exactions of such a man. They like him to boss them. Their natural gait is the goosestep.” Saying Bush Jr. was no worse than Clinton in the area of fiscal management is very wrong. I didn't say that. My point is not that the personalities are equivalent, or that the competence in massaging public opinion is the same, just that the ideology and the broader programme is exactly the same.

To: Dan3 who wrote (83477)	8/5/2007 4:32:14 PM
From: John Vosilla	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

'Saying Bush Jr. was no worse than Clinton in the area of fiscal management is very wrong.' Yeah that is a joke for anyone to even go there. I will give Junior credit for going along with the borrow and spend, prime the pump mantra to help get the economy going when it was headed towards disaster learning from Japan, the mistakes of his father and our leadership that took us into the great depression.. Only we didn't need the war, very lax lending, 1% fwed funds or half trillion deficits by 2004. Greenspan very slowly took the punch bowl away but no one else even followed his lead..