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To: Suma who wrote (40292)8/6/2007 9:06:29 AM
From: Dale Baker  Respond to of 543205
 
There is no simple answer about Congress; the Republicans have blocked things where their views were opposed, but the Democratic leadership has done a lousy job managing several big bills and letting them collapse in bickering.

The Democratic Congress had a big chance to step up and so far, they haven't done it. Their only consolation is that the presidential race will set the tone in 2008 and take some focus off Congress. Also, there are twice as many Republican senators up for reelection than Democrats. It would be hard for the Dems to blow it next time but they always have a chance, LOL.



To: Suma who wrote (40292)8/6/2007 9:17:51 AM
From: KonKilo  Respond to of 543205
 
AM I right or wrong

I saw a graphic the other day that showed the GOP minority on a path to break the record for filibuster use, so yes, they are clearly being obstructionists.

On the other hand, when the Dems have had the chance to build consensus, they have instead chosen to go the route of political payback. Plus, they have not put any teeth into troop withdrawal and have looked weak when confronted with contempt-of-Congress acts by subpeonaed witnesses.

I think we are past the point of no return for easy fixes...it is time for pitchforks and torches.

Ron Paul for President.



To: Suma who wrote (40292)8/6/2007 9:30:05 AM
From: Glenn Petersen  Respond to of 543205
 
Both the Democrats and the Republicans are posturing for the next election, which means that neither party has any real incentive to cooperate. The Republicans may be obstructing the Democrat's agenda, but that is exactly what the Democrats did before the last election.

Partisanship serves parties' interests

The GOP sees more advantage in disrupting congressional business, and Democrats see no incentive to accommodate the minority.


By Noam N. Levey
Times Staff Writer

August 6, 2007

WASHINGTON — As the House of Representatives lurched through its last rancorous hours over the weekend, there was much talk of shame and disappointment about the bitter partisanship that seemed to consume Congress ahead of its summer break.

But there were few real tears in the Capitol for the current state of affairs.

Seven months into Democrats' control of the House and Senate, the angry sparring has largely served the political interests of both parties, whose leaders often believe they have more to gain by warring with their rivals than by working with them.

Newly empowered Democrats, confident that the public backs their agenda and eager to expand their House and Senate majorities next year, have little incentive to accommodate the GOP minority.

They left town touting their successful efforts to raise the federal minimum wage, revamp ethics and lobbying rules, and implement the Sept. 11 commission's recommendations, though many other major goals, such as ending the war in Iraq, were unrealized.

For their part, Republicans, who still lag in public opinion polls after losing the majority last year, see more advantage in disrupting congressional business in their quest to cast the Democratic Congress as ineffective.

They went home complaining of a "do-nothing" Congress, even after they used one procedural tactic after another to stall legislative business.

"This is an era of partisan gridlock," said Julian E. Zelizer, a congressional historian at Princeton University, who pointed to the polarizing influences of the Iraq war and the fast-approaching 2008 election season.

In one of the session's last debates, the two parties clashed bitterly over a Bush administration demand to modify the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to expand the authority of U.S. spy agencies to monitor overseas phone calls and e-mails. The measure ultimately passed over the objections of many House and Senate Democrats, and President Bush signed it into law Sunday.

Few expected a flowering of comity when control of the Capitol shifted in January after 12 years of nearly total GOP rule.

The parties were coming off a fiercely contested election. Democrats, who won narrow majorities in both chambers, were smarting from years of iron-fisted tactics by the Republican majority. They were determined to challenge the White House and enact their priorities after years in the wilderness.

Republicans, stunned and bitter over losing their majorities, were in little mood to compromise. And Bush set a confrontational tone by announcing Jan. 10, six days after the Congress was sworn in, that he would boost troop levels in Iraq.

Partisan tensions intensified as Democrats pushed their legislative campaign to force the president to begin pulling troops out of Iraq. Senate Republicans repeatedly filibustered Democratic legislation, using parliamentary maneuvers to stop war-related measures that commanded the support of a majority of senators.

In the last month, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) struck back, calling an all-night session to debate the war and then pulling a defense spending bill to prevent GOP senators from voting on their alternatives.

In the House, Democrats used that chamber's rules to limit debate on major legislation and prevent Republicans from offering amendments, mirroring tactics that GOP leaders had employed when they were in control.

House Republicans retaliated with an insurgent campaign to stop debate altogether. Between Wednesday and Saturday, they forced six votes to adjourn.

Last week, shouts and hisses erupted amid disputes over votes, with Republicans storming from the House chamber at one point Thursday night.

The partisan battling has helped drive down public approval of Congress, which had risen after the Democratic wins last year. That has delighted GOP leaders, who are trumpeting the public's frustration with the slow pace of legislation under Democratic stewardship.

"The new direction Washington Democrats promised the American people has become a maze of their own making," Rep. Adam H. Putnam of Florida, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said in the conference's weekly radio address.

A recent poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found public disapproval with the Democratic leadership at 54%, its highest level this year. The survey also found that the percentage of people reporting they were happy that Democrats had taken control of Congress dropped 10 points since November, from 60% to 50%.

The partisanship has also complicated the Democrats' attempts to promote their accomplishments.

Besides their success on increasing the federal minimum wage, ethics and lobbying, and the Sept. 11 commission's recommendations, Democrats have moved forward with initiatives to expand health insurance for children through the State Children's Health Insurance Program and to shift U.S. energy policy away from reliance on fossil fuels.

And even though they have not succeeded in forcing a troop withdrawal from Iraq, they have helped focus the war debate on the question of when, not if, U.S. forces will begin pulling out.

It has been the recent partisan squabbling that has been grabbing headlines, however. Republicans "would rather you talk about that," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) said dryly last week.

But Democrats often have seemed just as happy to cast their GOP rivals as obstacles to changing the U.S. policy in Iraq, battling global warming or passing other popular initiatives.

Rather than offer compromises on the war that could garner Republican support, congressional Democrats have worked with liberal grass-roots groups like MoveOn.org to hammer GOP lawmakers in their home states for backing the unpopular conflict.

By reinforcing the differences between the parties, Democrats are playing to a public that continues to favor them over the Republicans, a fact repeatedly cited by Democratic leaders.

In a recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, respondents deemed Republicans better equipped to deal with only one of 20 issues. Out of a list that included the war, the economy and domestic security, Republicans were seen as more capable of "promoting strong moral values."

"If you look at the environment and you look at where things are, I'd clearly rather be us than them," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, a top Democratic strategist who led the effort to win the House majority last year.

But these confrontational tactics create risks for both parties. Another year of open warfare may deprive Democrats of the real legislative accomplishments they will want at election time. And it will do little to rebuild the trust that Republicans lost on the way to their drubbing last fall.

But few lawmakers see much chance that relations will be any more cordial when Congress reconvenes in September. Debates on federal spending and the war promise to bring the White House into the fight, as well.

"The confrontation is going to be historic," predicted Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), a leading war critic who chairs the powerful defense appropriations subcommittee. "September is when it really counts."

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noam.levey@latimes.com

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Times staff writers Richard Simon and Nicole Gaouette contributed to this report.


latimes.com



To: Suma who wrote (40292)8/6/2007 10:33:54 AM
From: JohnM  Respond to of 543205
 
My question is has not the Republican minority blocked everything that the Democrats have tried to do. AND I think that the rating if true is a result of the war still continuing when people voted the Democrats in to end it.

Hmm, given the way Bush governed, an already contentious relationship between Congressional Dems and Reps got much, much worse. So it should be no surprise that it continues.

Moreover, the majority has such a small margin in each House, little serious work can get done.

I think the public, while wishing for serious policy work to be done, does not understand, at least clearly enough, the conditions necessary for such.

The various Iraq war resolutions are the clearest example.

Criticism. I don't think the Dem leadership has done a good job explaining this to the public. And, surprisingly, at least to me, Pelosi has done a much better job than Reid.



To: Suma who wrote (40292)8/6/2007 10:55:43 AM
From: Sam  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 543205
 
I just read and article where this Congress has a lower rating than Bush and the blame is going to all the Democrats.

I think Congress's low rating has multiple roots, two in particular. Obviously, the Iraq mess--the people who want out right away are pissed that nothing has been done, even though, realistically, the Democrats can't do it on their own, and the Republicans are in mood to allow it. But I think equally important is the immigration issue. It is an incredibly difficult issue. Some want it (illegal immigation) to continue because of cheap labor as well as the control they have over that labor (no complaining or you get booted from the country, not just the job) and others because it is their family and ethnic group and still others because--well, I'm not really certain why some want it. But a large number of number of people want it stopped because they are clogging our schools, our hospitals and our jails. And because they are cheap malleable labor. It is an intensely emotional issue that the country can't compromise its way out of. Congress is simply being respresentative of the country when it fails to comes to grips with it. It is easier to blame them, though, than to think about how to resolve these two painful issues.