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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (239103)8/8/2007 3:25:55 PM
From: c.hinton  Respond to of 281500
 
Peter, this administration has inadvertantly allowed the arming of insurgants in iraq with body armour and ak47s at tax payer expence.
Criminal neglegence is putting is mildly....



To: Peter Dierks who wrote (239103)8/8/2007 4:25:18 PM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Peter Dierks, at least you're consistent. You've been sounding the same off-key tune for years and now you've hit another bad note. The article you posted is so wrong, so often, that I'm surprised that even you could find it inspiring.

First, note that it's written by a former senior KGB officer. I find it amusing that he's now waving the flag for the 30% of people in this country who still believe that we can use military force to remake the world for democracy.

Second, the article is the most obvious propaganda piece I've read recently.

He takes some undeniable facts and then uses them to support some fallacious conclusions. For instance:

Saying that the enemies of America would like to denigrate the US President in order to negatively impact American prestige in the world is undoubtedly true.

It's also true that many Americans, and particularly Democratic leaning Americans, have denigrated the current president Bush for his actions in the so called "war on terror" and, particularly, for his disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq.

But is it true that "those running for office [intentionally damage] America's international prestige in their quest for personal victory?" Is that the tradeoff they choose, harming the country in order to further their own political careers?

Or is the opposite true? Do opposition politicians who exercise their freedom to honestly state what should be obvious to any impartial, informed world observer have a positive impact on American prestige in the world? With this country taking what most of the civilized world sees (and probably correctly) as a turn away from the rule of law and the civilized conduct of nations, do you think that we'd have more world prestige if this country's leaders stayed mute and fell into line behind failed and failing policies?

In reality is the damage to American prestige emanating from those speaking out against the Bush policies or is the damage primarily resulting from the ill conceived and failing policies that have made the world question whether American still stands for the values the world admired in American for centuries?

Can you figure that one out?

The article is rife with other examples of poor logic and patent propaganda. This one is classic:

"The final goal of our anti-American offensive was to discourage the U.S. from protecting the world against communist terrorism and expansion. Sadly, we succeeded. After U.S. forces precipitously pulled out of Vietnam, the victorious communists massacred some two million people in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Another million tried to escape, but many died in the attempt. This tragedy also created a credibility gap between America and the rest of the world, damaged the cohesion of American foreign policy, and poisoned domestic debate in the U.S."

First, in order to make the end of a conflict that was killing millions of Vietnamese look like a terrible tragedy he had to inflate the casualty figures when we left. He did this by throwing in the million plus deaths in Cambodia at the hands of the Kmer Rouge; a country the US had never "helped" and that we didn't give a shit about. In fact, the ONLY country that stepped in to stop the atrocities in Cambodia was...drum roll...the communist nation of Viet Nam.

But more importantly, his statement ignores some undeniable facts.

What about our leaving Vietnam "sadly" harmed us from "protecting the world against communist ...expansion?" The Soviet Block is a distant memory, many Communist nations are our allies, Vietnam is our trading partner, Vietnamese who were refugees from Vietnam are voluntarily returning and we're no longer killing a million Vietnamese ever few years and bringing our soldiers home in body bags.

What a horrible tragedy that is...but only if you're so caught up in "win/loss" that you can't see that "losing" has a deeper meaning.

But the worst, WORST, thing about his article is found near the end.

He admittedly has NO IDEA how we could win in Iraq. He admits this saying; "I do not intend to join the armchair experts on the Iraq war. I do not know how we should handle this war, and they don't know either."

In spite of that remarkable admission he's quite certain that: "if America's political leaders, Democrat and Republican, join together as they did during World War II, America will win. Otherwise, terrorism will win."

Forgetting for a moment that it's difficult to see how "terrorism" can "win" since terrorism is an act not a noun, what is he thinking? The answer lies in his statement that:

"Let's return to the traditions of presidents who accepted nothing short of unconditional surrender from our deadly enemies."

So there you have it. We're fighting an enemy we can't identify, in a land where the population largely supports the side of those opposing us, with no way to effectively counter their tactics and he wants to keep fighting until they unconditionally surrender.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I'd rather hear the truth about bad policies debated, I'd rather have the world know that not all American leaders are stupid, arrogant and disinterested in the rule of law. I'd rather not be fighting blood sucking, treasury draining wars a half a world away that cannot be won and that benefit our sworn enemies, and I'd rather not hear simplistic flag waving statements from former high ranking KGB officials who turned and came here to make a living writing books.

For the last 6 years you've seemed to swallow that stuff pretty well but you might note that it's getting a little harder to find. Ed



To: Peter Dierks who wrote (239103)8/17/2007 11:30:47 AM
From: Peter Dierks  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
The surveillance and interrogation programs he helped implement have prevented further attacks.

BY STEPHEN F. HAYES
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

Dick Cheney sat transfixed by the images on the small television screen in the corner of his West Wing office. Smoke poured out of a gaping hole in the World Trade Center's North Tower. John McConnell, the vice president's chief speechwriter, sat next to him and said nothing.

Then, a second plane appeared on the right-hand side of the screen, banked slightly to the left, and plunged into the South Tower. "Did you see that?" Mr. Cheney asked his aide.

A little more than an hour later, Mr. Cheney was seated below the presidential seal at a long conference table in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, better known as the bunker. When an aide told Mr. Cheney that another passenger airplane was rapidly approaching the White House, the vice president gave the order to shoot it down. The young man was so surprised at Mr. Cheney's immediate response that he asked again. Mr. Cheney reiterated the order. Thinking that Mr. Cheney must have misunderstood the question, the military aide asked him a third time.

The vice president responded evenly. "I said yes."

These early moments and all that followed from them will define Mr. Cheney's vice presidency. He was aggressive in those first moments of the war on terror and has been ever since.

Mr. Cheney flew from the White House that night to Camp David, where he stayed in the Aspen Lodge, usually reserved for the president. It was his first night in the "secure, undisclosed location" that would eventually provide fodder for late night comedians. When he woke the next morning, Mr. Cheney asked himself two questions: When is the next attack? And what can I do to prevent it?

They were the questions on the minds of many politicians immediately following 9/11. "When, not if" quickly became one of many clichés to emerge from the national trauma of that day. Democrats and Republicans alike spoke of further terrorist acts on U.S. soil with certainty.

Sen. Bob Graham, a Democrat from Florida who has since retired but at the time was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, described the intelligence after a CIA briefing days after 9/11. "There is evidence that Tuesday's attack was the first phase of a multi-phase series of terrorist assaults against the United States, all under one umbrella plan," he said. "It's critical that we move with what capabilities we have today and strengthen those capabilities so that the next acts of this horrendous scheme against the people of the United States can be interdicted before it is executed."

No wonder, then, that a Time/CNN poll, taken in September 2001, found that four out of five Americans believed another attack within a year was either "somewhat likely" or "very likely."

That was nearly six years ago. To many, the threats no longer seem urgent. Critics speak of "the so-called war on terror," and accuse the administration of exaggerating the threats. Zbigniew Brzezinski, a leading indicator of Democratic conventional wisdom, recently argued that the "culture of fear" created in response to the 9/11 attacks has done more damage than the attacks themselves.

But Mr. Cheney has not moved on. He still awakens each day asking the same questions he asked on Sept. 12, 2001. Then, as he sips his morning coffee, he pores over the latest intelligence on his own before receiving an exhaustive briefing on the latest threat reports. After that, he joins his boss for the president's daily intelligence briefing. All of this happens before 9 a.m. He mentions the war on terror in virtually every speech he gives, and in a letter he wrote to his grandchildren he acknowledged that his "principal focus" as vice president has been national security.

The way that he has gone about his job has won him many critics. His approval ratings are low. A small but growing group of congressional Democrats is mobilizing to impeach him. Respected commentators from respected publications have suggested that his heart problems have left him mentally unstable. Others have called on him to resign. Some conservatives have joined this chorus of criticism, with one prominent columnist labeling the vice president "destructive" and another dismissing those who share his views as "Cheneyite nutjobs." This past Saturday, protesters near his home outside Jackson, Wyo., tore down an effigy of Mr. Cheney in much the way Iraqis famously toppled the statue of Saddam Hussein.

So President Bush should ignore Mr. Cheney's advice and the White House communications team should keep him hidden from public view, right?

Nonsense. With intelligence officials in Washington increasingly alarmed about the prospect of another major attack on the U.S. homeland, and public support for the Bush administration's anti-terror efforts reclaiming lost ground, we need more Dick Cheney.

The policies he has advocated have been controversial. But they have also been effective. Consider the procedures put in place to extract information from hardcore terrorists. Mr. Cheney did not dream up these interrogation methods, but when intelligence officials insisted that they would work, the vice president championed them in internal White House debates and on Capitol Hill. Former CIA Director George Tenet--a Clinton-era appointee and certainly no Cheney fan--was asked about the value of those interrogation programs in a recent television appearance. His response, ignored by virtually everyone in the media, was extraordinary.

"Here's what I would say to you, to the Congress, to the American people, to the president of the United States: I know that this program has saved lives. I know we've disrupted plots. . . . I know this program alone is worth more than the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency put together, have been able to tell us."

And what about the National Security Agency's Terrorist Surveillance Program? Immediately after the 9/11 attacks, President Bush instructed his top intelligence officials to be aggressive in their efforts to track terrorists and disrupt their plots. Michael Hayden, NSA director at the time, took that opportunity to propose changes to the ways his agency monitored terrorist communications. A little more than a year before the 9/11 attacks, while Bill Clinton was still president, Mr. Hayden dramatized the NSA's dilemma in congressional testimony.

"If, as we are speaking here this afternoon, Osama bin Laden is walking . . . from Niagara Falls, Ontario, to Niagara Falls, New York, as he gets to the New York side, he is an 'American person.' And my agency must respect his rights against unreasonable search and seizure as provided by the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution."

Once President Bush took office, Messrs. Hayden and Tenet took the problem to Dick Cheney. The vice president walked them in to see Mr. Bush and in short order the changes were implemented. The results were almost immediate. The New York Times article that exposed the surveillance program in December 2005 also reported that "the eavesdropping program had helped uncover a plot by Iyman Faris, an Ohio trucker and naturalized citizen who pleaded guilty in 2003 to supporting Al Qaeda by planning to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge with blowtorches. What appeared to be another Qaeda plot, involving fertilizer bomb attacks on British pubs and train stations, was exposed last year in part through the program."

In the most recent battle over reforming the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Mr. Cheney did not spend much time on Capitol Hill seeking support for the White House-backed changes as he had during the debates over detainee interrogations and earlier versions of the NSA programs. Instead, Mr. Cheney pushed and prodded inside the White House, insisting that the legislative affairs team approach the issue with the same urgency Mr. Cheney feels.

As the White House enters a critical domestic phases of the war on terror--with a heightened threat environment and the coming report from Gen. David Petraeus on progress in Iraq--Mr. Cheney may be called on to play a more public role. That may seem counterintuitive. If Mr. Cheney's approval ratings are so abysmal, why increase his visibility? The answer is simple: because his low poll numbers are the result of his low profile.

Mr. Cheney likes to work in the background and he does not care much about being loved. "Am I the evil genius in the corner that nobody ever sees come out of his hole?" Mr. Cheney said in 2004. "It's a nice way to operate, actually." But this reticence has a price. Where there is an information vacuum, people move to fill it, particularly in Washington, a town that operates on appearances.

More important, Mr. Cheney understands these issues as well as anyone in the Bush administration. "He really does get it," says former Iraq Administrator L. Paul Bremer, no Cheney acolyte. "From his time in Congress on the Intel Committee, to his time as secretary of defense--I saw him every now and then in the '90s when we were both out of government--he really is a student a international security matters."

Before he accepted his current position, Michael McConnell, the Director of National Intelligence, was critical of Mr. Cheney's use of intelligence. But he nonetheless argued that the vice president was underutilized as a spokesman. "He has such a way of making it simple and compelling."

Mr. McConnell is right. Mr. Cheney can be a very effective communicator. That doesn't mean he never makes mistakes. He does. (His prediction in 2005 that the insurgency in Iraq was in its "last throes" comes to mind.) But recall his impressive outings in debates against Joseph Lieberman in 2000 and John Edwards four years later, or his appearance on "Meet the Press" shortly after 9/11--an interview that even the New York Times called "a command performance."

Mr. Cheney has given some thought to the Bush administration's difficulties communicating on the war. "The notion that somehow we've got to get across to people is they just cannot think of this as a conventional war," he says. "This is not Desert Storm. It's not Korea. It's not World War II. This is a struggle that's going to go on in that part of the world for decades. I don't know that you're going to be involved for Iraq for decades; I don't want to say that. But just think about it. We just have to have people understand that and understand that the alternative is not peace. The alternative is not [that] we go back to the way the world was before 9/11. You can't turn back the clock."

Mr. Hayes, of The Weekly Standard, is the author of "Cheney: The Untold Story of America's Most Powerful and Controversial Vice President" (HarperCollins, 2007), which you can buy from the OpinionJournal bookstore.

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