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To: graphicsguru who wrote (238430)	8/9/2007 12:36:47 AM
From: justaview	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Have you seen 3Ghz Barcelona on any roadmap? That's because they have to fit the existing motherboards and 120W TDP. I hear there are random B2 samples running stable at 3.6GHz with budget cooling.

To: graphicsguru who wrote (238430)	8/9/2007 3:40:13 AM
From: NicoV	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Not me. If AMD wanted to do a demo of a pair of cherry-picked 90nm DC Opterons in an MCM using the same cooler, what clock speed do you think they could achieve? Higher than 3Ghz. Maybe a whole lot higher. Such a part would have a TDP of 250 Watt. Not a single MB is designed to handle that, let alone being able to air cool this thing. So the new design on the new process weeks before shipping cannot match the clock speed of the old design on the old process. Hmmmm. This argument has been brought up a thousand times on this board and it is pure FUD. Since AMD still has a reasonable amount of 200mm production capacity, it is rational to produce the highest value parts on 200 mm because of the higher die cost compared to 300 mm. Dirk Meyer even said this last year on an earnings CC that they would produce the lowest end parts first on 300 mm because of the cost/volume associated with it. Why is it that Intel seems to be able to get Penryn to run at higher clocks than the fastest shipping Woodcrest Intel is demoing a 10% clock speed increase within the same TDP boundaries as their previous generation part on the previous generation process. AMD is demoing the doubling of the number of cores, at the same clock speed of their previous generation parts on the same process at the same TDP. That looks a lot more impressive to me than what Intel is demoing.