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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: neolib who wrote (15730)	8/13/2007 1:48:16 AM
From: mistermj	Respond to of 36917

You talk pretty smart for someone that forms an opinion from a magazine cover. But anyway...as usual your examples are false, or misleading. For example you use elephant tusk size as an example of hunting and negative selection. Get real. Elephant tusk size in Africa has more to do with poaching, corrupt government and all the assorted woes of African politics than it has anything to do with hunting as defined by the North American tradition of sportsmen, ethics and game management. Lets talk about North American hunting...not illegal activities,corrupt African governments and mismanagement. In that regard, your premise is false. There is no appreciable decrease in horn,antler or skull size of large game trophies in North America. In fact, its the opposite, pretty much across the board. New records are being broken all the time in most all North American large game categories and not just in quality but quantity as well. This 900-page records book is considered as “The Book” of native North American big game and is loaded with a wealth of hunting and reference information including: A record-setting 12 new World’s Records tule elk, Roosevelt’s elk, non-typical Sitka blacktail deer, non-typical Columbia blacktail deer, non-typical Coues’ whitetail deer, mountain caribou, barren ground caribou, Rocky Mountain goat, pronghorn (2-way tie), musk ox, and bighorn sheep. Listings of more than 22,000 North American big game trophies in 38 categories, with detailed measurements, location, year taken, and more — an increase of over 5,000 trophies from the previous edition – data that will aid you in planning future hunts blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com

To: neolib who wrote (15730)	8/13/2007 1:27:02 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

hunting results in a population having a lower average age than would be the case for a non-hunted population. Any predation does that. And predation is a natural thing. Without predation/hunting, deer over-populate their territory, resulting in starvation and overbrowsing of certain types of plants. You should look at human hunting as a substitute for natural predation by large predators that aren't around much most places. Thus hunting has a tendency to drive trophy metrics lower for both of the above reasons. I don't know if that's so, but trophy metrics are just a matter of how many animals live to an old age. Why should anyone except a trophy hunter (a small segment of hunters) care about trophy metrics anyway?