To: Road Walker who wrote (1855 ) 8/20/2007 11:13:23 AM From: TimF Respond to of 42652 Medicare used to spend a lot less, but it used to pay for a much smaller number of people. If you figuring efficiency you have to account for that fact. If you don't give it 12% of the debt it still has to get some of that, perhaps calculated as if Medicare has always served as many people as it does now (but you would still adjust down for less spending per person), or perhaps you adjust for both less people and less spending per patient, but make a separate adjustment for the fact that the program was smaller, and is taking a larger and larger part of new federal debt. re: * Medicare pays health care claims for seniors which tend to cost a lot more than the average claim cost for a younger person thereby distorting any comparison between under-age-65 costs and those over age-65. For example, Humana reported its first quarter 2007 medical cost ratio to be 89.3% for its senior business. That is a lot closer to the Medicare expense ratio than I would expect most favoring a single-payer system would think. If Medicare had more young people it's expenses would be LOWER, not higher. More BS. Its cost would be lower, partially because on the average it would be paying out less per claim. Paying out less per claim means processing the claim is a larger part of the cost, so its administrative cost percentage would be larger. Instead of adjusting Medicare, you can do what the article I quoted did, and compare insurance companies admin % for seniors against Medicare. That itself is enough to noticeably narrow the gap even before considering the other costs that the other issues mentioned in the article, and things such as the fact that companies pay tax (and thus incur a cost that just goes back to the government anyway), while Medicare gets money from taxes (and the cost of processing and collecting these taxes doesn't get counted as one of Medicare's costs) As far as salaries, you can hire a bunch of paper shufflers for these prices:forbes.com Most companies (except perhaps very small ones, pay the CEO a very small portion of total salaries. If the CEO makes $5mil, but the company has $10bil in revenue a year, his salary isn't significantly changing the cost structure. It might be a nice bit of rhetoric, but its really almost irrelevant.