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To: Slagle who wrote (21208)	8/14/2007 8:31:54 PM
From: Gib Bogle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 219532

You people (USAsians) spend much more time dreaming about guns and fighting than is good for your health (and the world's). And don't think you're getting a balanced view of NZ affairs from people who inhabit gunsmithing sites.

To: Slagle who wrote (21208)	8/15/2007 3:55:59 AM
From: Moominoid	Respond to of 219532

NZ has 4 million people in a country the size of Japan or California, good rainfall, temperate to subtropical climate and significant areas of volcanic soils (quite different to Australia). It's one place that I think would do well if there is a collapse of industrial civilization. The question I guess is would it be invaded by others. That might depend on how collapsed they were.

To: Slagle who wrote (21208)	8/15/2007 7:23:57 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 219532

Slag, I'm having to break my ban again. ...ban off/ I'm not sure what Gib's definition of fascism is [it's one of those over-used words] but the way I think of fascism, we aren't all that far off it and already in it in many respects. These things are often just a matter of degree. We "own" trees but the government controls what we do with them. Same with business. I "own" Vector shares, but the government dictates the price I can charge. It was quite a swindle. They sold shares, then announced price controls. But I wanted to point out that food production doesn't take significant oil. I used to sell petroleum products and gases to farmers [and everyone else]. They use very little. A tractor, car, little truck. Milk trucks take away 40,000 litres at a time. Food factories use negligible petroleum products. Some have a boiler, and spray dried milk uses a lot of energy. NZ could very easily feed itself many times over with no energy imports. There is lots of coal here, decent swags of gas and condensate. Lots of geothermal. Plenty of wind. Lots of hydro electric. Any number of trees, gorse and other cellulose containing things. NZers are not defenceless. There are LOTS of guns even in suburbia. Our neighbours are all armed [going hunting]. An ex-neighbour has a special licence for collecting serious weaponry. It would be no trouble to get a million guns out on the streets. There are other means of defence too. The first requirement for defence is to have somebody who wants to attack. There aren't a lot of them. The USA makes threatening noises at times and their allies, the French, conducted a terrorist attack in the 1980s. We don't need to produce grain [though we do]. There is lots of rice for sale around the world. Australia produces lots of it. /ban on... Mqurice