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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: neolib who wrote (15823)	8/19/2007 9:57:03 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Hi Wharf: One other note: from realclimate they claimed 0.1 deg was needed for significance on a one year record over that time span (70 years), so the decade delta of 0.18 (2000's - 1930's) exceeds that threshold. Thus we can say that the last decade was the warmest and it is statistically significant as well? What sort of clown picks a year record and claims that makes the decade a record? Imagine if the 1930's had averaged to a record cold but had the single hottest year. What would the fools say them? God, I hate stupidity. I wonder what they will do when the first year rolls around that tops 1934 by more than 0.1. Will then then suddenly claim to believe global warming? I hope it comes in a decade that shows a cooling trend. That should be interesting.

To: neolib who wrote (15823)	8/20/2007 12:09:10 PM
From: Mike McFarland	Respond to of 36921

I want to make sure none of them jump ship, they need to go down with it That ship will be sailing the wide open Northwest Passage in a few decades.

To: neolib who wrote (15823)	8/20/2007 2:23:37 PM
From: Alastair McIntosh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36921

It depends on how you wish to define a decade. Is it any period of 10 consecutive years or is it a period of 10 years starting with a year divisible by 10? en.wikipedia.org If the latter definition is the one you select the 1990's were the hottest decade in the US. You may have to wait until the results for 2009 are in before you can claim that the 1930's were not the "hottest decade'. It would appear that most of the "hottest decade" references have referred to the 1990's.

To: neolib who wrote (15823)	8/21/2007 10:22:45 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Maybe Inhofe will lose everything in Oklahoma flooding. DDT, tobacco and the parallel universe Posted by John Quiggin The piles of documents released as a result of litigation against Phillip Morris and Exxon are gifts that keep on giving for those of us interested in the process by which the Republican parallel universe has been constructed. Previous research has shown that the core proponents of global warming delusionism including Stephen Milloy, Fred Singer and Fred Seitz got their start as shills for PM, denying the risks of passive smoking. A string of rightwing thinktanks including Cato, the Alexis de Tocqueville Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute helped to promote these hacks and the lies they were paid to peddle. Now it’s turned out that one of the hardiest of parallel universe beliefs, the claim that Rachel Carson and the US ban on DDT were responsible for millions of deaths in the third world, arises from the same source. One of the great puzzles of the DDT myth has been that it appeared to arise from pure ideological animus against Carson and the environmental movement – DDT is not patented so there were no profits to be obtained from pushing it. It turns out that the DDT campaign was pitched to the tobacco industry as a diversionary attack on the World Health Organization which was playing a leading role in campaigns against smoking. The leading figure in the exercise was Roger Bate of the American Enterprise Institute and its front organization, Africans Fighting Malaria. So, far from helping to save lives, the bloggers and commentators who’ve pushed the myth of the DDT ban have been the (presumably unwitting) dupes of an industry even deadlier than malaria (CDC estimates that tobacco kills 5 million people a year compared to 1 to 3 million for malaria. The AFM pitch to the tobacco industry ends with a classic paragraph bringing together many of the main themes in the parallel universe At UNEP, the desire to push through treaties on Persistent Organic Pollutants, Climate Change, Hazardous Waste, to name but a few draw heavily on the Montreal Protocol as well . However, the Montreal Protocol is highly flawed (like the tobacco control document) . It contains inaccuracies, cost underestimation and dubious ethics . To influence the direction of future UN legislation we must criticise the Montreal Protocol. A paper is proposed to accurately apply the lessons learned from the Montreal Protocol to new or developing conventions (especially POPs, tobacco and climate change). As Eli Rabett concludes, Roger Bate’s existence is a strong argument against the existence of a just God. crookedtimber.org