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To: epicure who wrote (216603)8/22/2007 3:29:38 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793750
 
1. We were talking about Mass. You might have missed that, but that was the context of the discussion. If you want to make it about something else, that's fine, but it has very little to do with what I was saying, which was specific to the Mass example. Mass gay marriage is legal.

Yup, but it sure didn't go through the legislature in Mass. It went through the schools and the courts, over the objections of large segments of the population. It would not have passed the legislature, not even in Massachusetts.

2. No I am not setting up a "smokescreen". I am saying that defining pork as a religious subject is illogical. It can be religious, but it can also be secular- and religious folks shouldn't (imo) force everyone to call it religious. I don't happen to think secular folks can tell the religious it's NEVER religious, but since religion doesn't belong in school, that point really doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about- unless teachers are telling kids that something their family believes is a religious edict is not, and if they do that they should be disciplined.


This is such a completely muddled attempt at a distinction that it boils down to saying that YOU can pick and choose anything you like to be religious or non-religious. And if you say it's non-religious, you can teach it. Problem solved, as far as you are concerned.



To: epicure who wrote (216603)8/22/2007 5:35:22 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 793750
 
Just an observation - eating pork is a different kind of issue from issues of sexual morality, killing, theft, etc.

Abstaining from pork (eating kosher) isn't a universal moral command. Religious Jews don't consider it a commandment binding on non-Jews. I believe this to be the same with Muslims, though I'm not as sure.

OTOH, sexual immorality, theft, murder are moral commands considered to apply to all mankind.