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To: Brumar89 who wrote (216612)	8/22/2007 7:50:37 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793745

Religious Jews don't consider it a commandment binding on non-Jews. I believe this to be the same with Muslims, though I'm not as sure. Jews did not chose to be Jews - they were chosen. Chosen by God. They do not proselytize for the most part, since it is God's "job" to chose who will be a Jew, not theirs. Muslims, otoh, are under a direct command from God to have everyone eventually submit to their religion. Big difference.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (216612)	8/22/2007 10:06:31 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793745

I disagree. Sexual "morality" differs religion to religion, as do food taboos. They are, imo, exactly the same. Eating pork horrifies the people who it horrifies (Jews and Muslims), just as eating cows horrifies Hindus- I doubt they find sexual taboo violations more horrifying- some people perhaps consider certain sexual taboos less horrifying- and of course not everyone has the same sexual taboos. When you are in the land of taboos it's easy to discount the other guys taboos while saying yours apply to all mankind. In reality, they're all relative. Since homosexuality is legal in all states and even sodomy laws have been struck down (2003, 6-3 court decision), and homosexual marriage is legal in Mass, I'm not sure why you've wandered off to murder and theft (legal in no states that I know of) and some idea that being gay is universally considered sexual immorality- if that's what you are trying to compare. And since we were talking about gay marriage, I don't see how you couldn't be comparing. It clearly is NOT universally considered immoral. I understand you might think it is, but you are not the law, and you do not decide what applies to all mankind. That you may believe a deity you believe in applies these standards to all mankind, does not make those standards actually apply to everyone.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (216612)	8/23/2007 8:07:44 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793745

Religious Jews don't consider it a commandment binding on non-Jews. No one's commandments are legitimately binding on those of other religions. Zero. That's where we get into trouble--trying to impose our commandments on others. OTOH, sexual immorality, theft, murder are moral commands considered to apply to all mankind. Theft and murder are illegal because they are not conducive to any healthy society and are so recognized. Deference to the person and property of others is the most basic element of civilization. That they are also commandments in some religions may give them added weight but they would also be illegal in societies of atheists. Sexual morality is a commandment that applies to those of the religions that command it. There's nothing universal about it. Pressing it as universal is problematic. What other consenting adults do in private is not appropriate for legislation in a free society.