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To: SilentZ who wrote (348380)	8/24/2007 6:22:31 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1573849

The criminal alien problem is growing. Criminal aliens—non-citizens who commit crimes—are a growing threat to public safety and national security, as well as a drain on our scarce criminal justice resources. In 1980, our federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. By the end of 1999, these same prisons housed over 68,000 criminal aliens.1 Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates.2 These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Over the past five years, an average of more than 72,000 aliens have been arrested annually on drug charges alone.

To: SilentZ who wrote (348380)	8/24/2007 6:23:44 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573849

You read about it in the newspapers, "They come here for a better lifethey come for jobs." Today, in excess of 15 million illegal aliens now operate in the USA--not all of them come here to work. It's not that we don't have crime in America. Two million prisoners inhabit our prisons. However, according to the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, DC, an astounding 30 percent of those prisoners constitute illegal aliens at a cost of $1.6 billion annually. That adds up to 600,000 foreigners ripping off taxpayer dollars as prisoners sit in our cells during their incarceration period. sounds like they are committing crime.

To: SilentZ who wrote (348380)	8/24/2007 6:24:19 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573849

A full 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide, which totaled 1,500 last year in Los Angeles, pointed to illegal aliens. Soberingly, two thirds of all fugitive felony warrants, totaling 17,000, were for illegal aliens. In 1995, a report showed that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in Southern California included illegal aliens. That gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia on drug distribution schemes, extortion and drive-by assassinations. MS-13 Salvadoran gangs from Central America, with over 8,000 members, operate in 28 American cities. They're the guys offering free drug samples to our kids with the end result being addiction. Millions of American families spend millions reversing the drug imprint on their children.

To: SilentZ who wrote (348380)	8/24/2007 6:25:37 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573849

"You and JCP, with all your talk of immigrant gangs and such... they certainly exist, but they appear to be the exception, rather than the rule." A statement by someone who lives FAR from the southern border. I haven't heard about any Canadian immigrant gangs - that's true.

To: SilentZ who wrote (348380)	8/26/2007 12:56:16 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573849

>Who has made the argument on this thread that criminality is the major problem behind illegal immigration? You and JCP, with all your talk of immigrant gangs and such... they certainly exist, but they appear to be the exception, rather than the rule. I have never said illegals themselves are a crime problem although the MS-13 gang is a huge problem and many of them are illegals coming up from Central America. However, the Chicanos, the sons and daughters of the illegals, are a big problem. They are the ones who populate the gangs in western cities. They are not as violent as the MS-13 gang but they are still pretty bad and I personally believe their behavior is heavingly influenced by the illegal status of their parents, the progeny on Ugly Betty notwithstanding. And do a search on the MS-13 gang.....read the articles about that gang that come up. My major complaint about illegals has been and continues to be what the pressure of an illegal population does on our infrastructure and services. It negatively impacts streets, highways, health services, car insurance, property insurance.......a whole range of costs and services. And contrary to what Latino advocates are saying, many illegals pay only sale taxes. Most of their money.....its estimated that figure is $41 billion......goes back to their country of origin, providing little benefit to this country and encouraging their home countries to maintain a way of life that is counterproductive for many of their citizens. And just for the record, $41 billion is a significant outflow even for a country as large as the US. Finally, I am insulted that Latino leaders have the unmitigated gall of referring to the SW US as Aztlan and suggest that their goal is to reunite with Mexico. I would think that would bother you as well. In all honesty, I don't think you've seen the extent of the problem that the West has been experiencing for 20 years. Many of the Latinos in northeastern cities are Puerto Ricans who have always been legal. They are very different from the illegals coming up from Central America and Mexico. I think that's why liberals in the West split from their counterparts in the East. Westerners have an experience of the problem that easterners are just now beginning to see. In addition, the issue of maintaining the borders is a important one which you seem to want to ignore. And that truly surprises me.....a nation that can't control its borders is at significant risk for all kinds of problems. I would think you would understand that issue. Plus, I am surprised at the way you address the issue with me. Instead of going through my concerns, indicating where you don't agree.......you criticize my position over race and crime issues. From my perspective, that seems like a cheap shot.