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To: arun gera who wrote (68039)8/25/2007 7:24:52 PM
From: silenceddissenter  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
If we have forgotten, the last world war involved nuclear.

You cannot compare 2 bombs then to the stockpiles of missles and suitcase nukes and nuclear power plants today as referenced in the article I posted - completely different world today. We are emotional creatures - Bin Laden didn't have the holy warriors fly a plane into a nuke plant but I have read that option was on the table - that the 911 attack was going to spare nuclear holocaust - but if everyone didn't leave the middle east to the religious muslim nuts they would start focusing on nuclear targets. A man that is willing to committ suicide - what does he care if he pushes a nuke button and kills a few million instead of just 10 or 20? Really - once you are at that emotional state that your own life is forfeit - its easy to go the next level and take the whole world with you no?

That realization has prevented the power blocks of the world to find alternate ways to settle conflicts. Like trade...

Your friends popping out 20 babies in India that I don't get the pleasure of the orgasm for is putting huge demand on world resources no? There is only so much water to go around or have you found an economical way to turn sea water into drinking water and transport it cheaply too? The immigrant population in USA is also popping out many babies - I am not kidding you Arun - I went to fishing ponds in florida and they were all dried up and the fish all dead and gone because the water had been diverted to the big cities.

And Iraq is a special case. Iraq did not collapse, it was deliberately destroyed.

There is somalia and rwanda and the congo etc etc - in south america they moved homeless people into forested areas and then gave them an axe and said you want some food start cutting instead of being sent to already deforested areas to rebuild eh? The tricks are endless how to deal with vacuums and oversupply of human capital.

Saddamn was counterfeiting US dollars at a very large scale - what should we have done? (that was just one of the problems) Worked out trade solutions with him while he printed our money illegally? RU NUTZ? He forget himself - the puppet tried to take the puppetmasters hand out of his butt and be independent - that was silly.

I am going to come over and rape your daughter tonight - now go call your accountant and find out what peaceful trade solutions you can work out with me while I take her cherry - tell him the only trade I am willing to do is where I get her cherry - if you can't find a peaceful solution to give me your daughters cherry I am coming by force and if you get in my way you are going to get hurt - WAKE UP! Sometimes violence and death are all that is left.

The history of last 60 years has showed that the NATO, USSR, Chinese, and Indian nuclear powers have behaved very responsibly so far as far as the use of nuclear weapons is concerned.

So you think we should work out trade solutions with IRAN and send them all the info we have on nuclear power plants and give them some of the uranium mines in the world so they can mine their own nuclear fuel too? Its only fair right? Either we back them into a corner or pull them in under the wing - but what if they don't want to be under the wing - what if they say NO - you cant have our daughters cherry - and if you try to take her cherry we are going to fight you with everything we got?!? What then? What if n korea guy calls bush and says you send over some food now or I am sending some nukes to NY - what then?

The British Empire collapsed. And it was way bigger, more entrenched, and more stretched in its managerial resources.

If they had nuclear weapons that could obliterate the globe and all their colonies also had nuclear weapons - how differently history may have turned out. If hitler and hirohito and stalin had nuclear weapons during ww2 - you think they all would have restrained themselves from using them? I don't. I think we got there first and dropped em and einstein was right when he wrote in his memoirs what a terrible force had been unleashed into the control of emotional idiots not ready for it.

They just went bankrupt fighting World War II. The power vaccum was filled in by United States, which behaved more sensibly than the old world European countries with their historical and nationalistic baggage. On the strength of United States, the whole of Western Europe, Japan, and South Korea became stabilized and peaceful.

There was still a lot of ties between old world europe and the new world USA - if IRAN gets some nuclear weapons and hits israel and israel sends some nukes back - what free trade solutions do you think we will need to work out between the 2 countries? Say a suitcase nuke goes off in Mumbai that kills 20 million from uranium that was in russia sold on the black market - what is the response?

USSR collapsed without any major bloodshed (except yugoslavia).

My croation friends tell me there were lots of people taken out into the street and executed all over. One of my ukraine friends said his dad took out 3 muslim people into the forest and shot them in the head and then buried the bodies.

And in a short span of 15 years, many eastern european countries have almost integrated into western europe. And nuclear weapon capability among the former Soviet republics has so far been a non issue (I did not see the movie "The Peacemaker" which was tackled some of the fears).

I watched the peacemaker - it was an OK movie - you should watch it. I hear Putin is not happy with his former colonies pulling away from the mother land - didn't putin kill off some SPOOK in britain and try to kill yushencko? At least our CIA seems to be a little more slick in their assassination attempts - tsk tsk.

The British left India in such a hurry (after only 300 years or so of being around), that there was a power vaccum which affected 12 million people in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. However, the Indian political parties picked up the pieces and have cobbled together a reasonable nation (still an unfinished work).

Hey you guys got bollywood - can't be all bad - but I hear ghandi's kid starved to death cause he didn't eat enough or was it he wouldn't take medicine and died? How is the caste system over there going? Is it really still affecting millions of people - I can't fathom millions of people being told they are never going to have anything near the life of the higher level caste people no matter how hard they work or try to better themselves - that would really piss me off and make me want to start fighting. I have led a life of ease though and was never broken young to be a slave. You just wait till some bully tries to take away princesses shopping malls - he is gonna see a holy war that no prophet could ever predict.

You have to give some credit to the US empire. They have managed to bring about significant trade relationship with China that may be irreversible, and will align China's interest with the NATO powers.

China and USA are tied - but I have a very good story for you - there was this scorpion running from the forest because it was on fire and he was soon to die - he came upon a river where the frog wanted to cross but he was afraid of the crocodiles - so they made a deal - the scorpion would ride the frogs back across the river and keep the crocs away - half way across the river the scorpion stung the frog and as they were both sinking to their certain death the frog asked why and the scorpion said I cannot change my nature no matter how hard I tried - even if it meant survival - my nature is to sting! USA and Japan and Germany were friends before ww2 - lots of trade going back and forth Arun - Hitler was written up in better homes and gardens and Prescott bush - the current presidents grandpa sent american money over to fund german investments in mining companies and such - but things change Arun - China is our friend today - but when resouces get tight and survival becomes job 1 - we shift back to our animal instincts and alliances fall. Back before the tower of babel got built so high - these collapsing alliances and military actions to reassert balances of power did not involve nuclear - if enough bombs go off - there is just no where to run - the radiation clouds are going to get us all. Sad that for mankind to have relative peace we have to sit under the gun of total instant global annihilation. I have been mad enough to kill before Arun, but there was no gun in my hand, so no one got shot, but in those moments if a gun had been in my hand people would be laying dead in my past.

And now they are bringing on another competing vendor (India) to balance China's strength. This globalist agenda, which Slagle seems to find very corrupting, is in some ways a sensible way to avoid direct confrontation with other nuclear powers.

Slagle was friends with carter - he is a rich guy and a resetting of the balance of power that takes his wealth away is not appealing to slagle. I like buying stuff from all over the globe as long as it is good stuff and wont make me sick - we have to have better controls enforced globally so kids are not exploited and safety standards are not shortchanged - its just so hard to do that across borders.

US even tried developing Russia into a trade relationship and capitalism. And Russia has adapted and become more capitalist, however, it still needs the backbone of its previously entrenched organizational structure to go further.

People I met from Russia had big ego problem - had been taught from kids to be very big headed - this made them hard to deal with to me. You teach the kids young to be slaves like that caste system in india does and its much easier to work with them when they get older - but you teach them they are holier than thou or better than thou from kids and they are real pricks that you cant stand to be around. Pride before the fall. I knew too many russians that were drunks - I guess when they hit that REAL WORLD and their pig headed ways didn't fly with their peers and they got shunned and rejected they turned to that bottle to escape reality - pathetic. The nicest people I ever met was from the phillipines - notice Slagle talks up the USA but he didn't get him no stuck up USA wife did he? hehe - he went for the beat down filipina - slage is a hypocrite I think sometimes - but I like a lot of his posts. I am gonna follow slagles example - I have give up on pig headed princesses that was taught she was gonna be president since birth - I am gonna find me some beat down women who are easier to deal with ;)

And US should not be making the same mistake the winners of World War I did to the Germans. Do not push Russians into a corner. Let them recover from the setbacks they have suffered. And Putin has been fairly responsible so far.

Putin makes me laugh putting flags under the bottom of the sea and think we are going to respect his property rights while he poison yushencko - I met some really nice ukraine people - really sweet but almost all russian guys I met were real pricks - all has to do with how they were raised - very hard upbringing back home - made them hard and mean.

It is in self interest. The ruled allow the rulers to rule if the rulers make their life easier and less stressful.

So you are telling me those boys in the lower caste in india that shovel crap in the sewage with their bare hands do so because their rulers make the life less stressful?

The more likely scenario is that US will start sharing the police force responsibilities with other nations.

International borders are breaking down with the legal system - extraditions happening back and forth all over - but where am I too flee too in such a system if I don't support the laws - that is the danger of a globalized central gubbment - no where to run too - THX 1138 - blakes 7 - equilibrium.

That is the right principle. However, the world has still not built an honest global police force that is answerable to humanity.

I thought Kofi Anan only took a little payoff for his son eh? hehe

They will not do take such an action unless they have been driven to an absolute corner.

Iran says NO you cannot have our daughters cherry - but that is what I want - sometimes violence is the only way left.

show others who is still the boss. This might have backfired a little, but the point has still been made.

Chinese wealth from their growth has been sent to US to pay for mercenary army in Iraq to keep the global oil flowing for all -