To: KLP who wrote (217109 ) 8/26/2007 10:15:39 PM From: ig Respond to of 793738 A little OT -- OK, a lot off-topic, maybe, but no grief intended!I learned a new term from your interchange Rambi...I don't do video games, so didn't know about the gaming term: "grief" I play a few online games, maybe several hours per week (beats watching TV!), but I'd never heard the term before. So I looked it up. Fascinating: =================Gamers don't want any more grief Players who abuse others in online games may soon be ostracised as virtual communities start to police their own environments Martin Davies The Guardian Thursday June 15 2006 [Excerpt] The gaming community calls them "griefers": people who like nothing better than to kill team-mates or obstruct the game's objectives. Griefers scam, cheat and abuse, often victimising the weakest and newest players. In games that attempt to encourage complex and enduring interactions among thousands of players, "griefing" has evolved from being an isolated nuisance to a social disease. [...] Beyond the pale Even in games whose selling point has been their potential for ruthless competition, such as Eve Online (in which rival corporations trade and battle across the galaxy), some events have caused gamers to ask what is beyond the pale. One example last year entailed the coordination of large numbers of mischief-makers. Calling themselves the Guiding Hand Social Club, they exacted the ruination of a particular player and the corporation she headed, Ubiqua Seraph. Spending more than a year infiltrating Ubiqua Seraph and gaining the trust of its higher members, the Guiding Hand enacted an elaborate heist that resulted in the destruction of the organisation's limited edition flagship and the looting of its considerable funds. The damage translated to thousands of real pounds and years of effort. (The Guiding Hand leader's announcement and discussion thread is at tinyurl.com The scale of the persecution divided the community. Many felt the tactics, while sanctioned by the game's design, were despicable. "People work for months ... to buy things like battleships," said one irate gamer following the Guiding Hand's announcement.guardian.co.uk ================================ Man alive, I thought *I* was semi-hardcore, but I'm just a piker. "Spending more than a year to infiltrate..."?! Thousands of dollars and years of effort lost? Wow.