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To: one_less who wrote (240203)	8/28/2007 6:43:40 PM
From: Don Hurst	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>" The only issue I have with you is attacking religion instead of the corrupt perps who use/abuse religion for self serving purposes. "<< Oh migosh,...are you actually suggesting there might be anyone out there that does not "use/abuse religion for self serving purposes"? Just who are they and are they from this planet?

To: one_less who wrote (240203)	8/28/2007 7:19:31 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The only issue I have with you is attacking religion instead of the corrupt perps who use/abuse religion for self serving purposes. I'm not sure you even get that. If the Spanish Inquisition were chugging along this minute, would you have such a hard time with my attitude that you can say all you like that the Inquisition isn't the "real" Christianity, corrupt perps have abused it for their own self serving purposes, but unfortunately, it's the Catholic Church that gets to decide what Roman Catholic Christianity consists of, NOT YOU. And they think the Inquisition is great! or at least they did from 1200 something well into the 19th century. The Inquisition was not the work of some tiny fringe minority of extremists. And neither is Salafi Islam today.

To: one_less who wrote (240203)	8/28/2007 7:32:46 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Your recollection is not too bad but I know their is another way to describe all that from the Pal's point of view Yes, I know the Pals tell another story now. But it's a retroactive national narrative. They didn't really begin to form a national consciousness until they came under one government - Israel - in 1967. Here's the test: Go look at contemporaneous accounts of Israel in the 1940s. Watch for the word Palestinian as a noun. You will see that it refers to the Zionists, because they wanted to turn Palestine into a country. The Arabs of Palestine are called "Palestinian Arabs" or just "Arabs". "Palestinian" meaning Arab didn't arrive until the 1960s. Yes, I know Israel was rough luck on a lot of the Palestinians. But Israel was nothing, compared to their brother Arabs, who promptly stuck them in permanent refugee camps on the UN dole and declared they should remain stateless refugees from generation unto generation until Israel was destroyed. There were 100 million refugees in the 20th century. ONLY the 700,000 Palestinians got this special treatment. The other 99.3 million and their billion descendants are no longer refugees. Only the Palestinians remain.