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To: Geoff Altman who wrote (240268)	8/29/2007 1:02:13 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"Gem will will condemn the terror but on most else he's too busy defending Muslims to look at where the root cause of radical Islam is....." You are partially correct. But, there are no particular Muslims which I have defended. Can you name one? I condemn attacks on innocent persons and some general attacks on Islamic Terrorists over reach to the extent that they include the entire gammit of Muslims from the psychotic terrorist all the way to the humble and saintly villager minding his own beeswax. I don't know a particular Muslim on August 29th that I feel is deserving of my protection other than perhaps a child in my home. Most of the Muslims I know are no more deserving of a defense than the general population of Non-Muslims, many are less deserving, and I'm not a practitioner of law. "look at where the root cause of radical Islam is..... Namely the books that Islam is based on. " Oh, I heartily disagree. The kingdom of heaven is at hand, if you seek it look within. On the other hand if you want to know where the evil of the world in your life could come from, look to the steps currently leading up to your chair. Likewise, radical Islam has its roots in the hearts of men, men with heinously evil hearts full of want for power, glory, real estate, broad-sweeping influence, or perhaps broads-weeping to influence. In any event you'd have to specify which books and what you mean by that. Islamic Books, like others, are subject to interpretation based on circumstance, which is not a static condition in this world. "Muslims refuse to consider the possibility that Islam needs to be reformed to include establishing that anyone who commits violence in the name of Islam should be considered a heretic......" Islam is an idea, in fact in the pure sense it is an ideal. God is All Powerful. What would you have Muslims reform about that idea? God is the most Beneficent. What would you have Muslims reform about that Idea? God is the most Merciful. What would you have Muslims reform about that idea. Muslim culture is as diverse as can be. Muslims live in every Nation and function effectively in every society. They have assimilated into American society to the point where you probably can't distinguish most of the third generationals in your public schools except that they are mixed in with the polite and respectful mob some place. "to include establishing that anyone who commits violence in the name of Islam should be considered a heretic......" Nonsense. War is the most violent manifestation of culture in this world and we Americans are the most war like people in this era, we do it in the name of America founded upon American strategic and Principled interests. If a Muslim raises his hand to stop the brutal rape and murder of an innocent child, or a group, he is committing an act of violence in the name of all that is Holy. 15K to 20K are now serving in the American Military. Your dart has missed the bull's eye this time Geoff. Sorry. Best Regards, Gem

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (240268)	8/29/2007 6:16:10 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The quran has been compared to Mein Kamfe. People point out that both promote hate and justify mistreatment of people. Some people turn to apologists for their authoritative sources. I am sure that if one looked there are probably several books written by Hitler's apologists. Just because someone else loves them, does not mean that I have to regard them as authoritative. A member of SI made the comparison between how muslims treat those they subjugate using the dhimi and sharia law to how descendents of African slaves were treated by Southerners at certain times in the last century.