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To: Geoff Altman who wrote (240284)	8/29/2007 5:52:40 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

"HHHHMMM, I'd say he was doing it BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. You don't need religion to do the right thing. Interesting that you find it easy to consider the actions of a good Muslim person to be easy to accept while dismissing the Islamic Religion as a root of that person's good actions. Geoff: Don't make me go and start clipping and pasting ..... If the root of the justice wasn't in the Quran and Hadith there wouldn't be a bunch of Imams teaching Muslims to strive for Justice and goodness in the world: "The Arabic root of the word jihad, a concept central to Islam, is jahada, which means "to strive for" - implying some type of struggle to overcome an adversary. Two types of jihad are generally recognized: the first is the soul's struggle with evil - the daily inner quest to be a better person - where one's adversary is psychological conflict and moral temptation. The second type is the struggle against religious or political oppression - an armed conflict fought in defense of Islam - where the adversary is an actual physical presence that must be destroyed. Moderates explain that while jihad might sometimes refer to an active war against an oppressive regime, such a battle must be defensive in nature and may be waged only against that regime, not against innocent civilians. Radical Islamic fundamentalists view jihad as a "holy war" of an aggressive nature, and whose ultimate objective is conquest and the expansion of the Muslim umma, or community of believers. " discoverthenetworks.org ""Jihad doesn't mean aggression in Islam, it means defending one's soul, land and nation against those who attack them," said Grand Sheik of Al-Azhar Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, considered by many to be the Sunni Muslim world's highest religious authority." growley.com "Gem, please, don't make me go to jihad watch and start clipping and pasting..... If the root of the violence wasn't in the Quran and Hadith there wouldn't be a bunch of Imams teaching external Jihad." The root of evil is in a book but the root of goodness is in the hearts of people? I disagree. The roots of goodness and evil are in the hearts of men, as a simple matter of being born into the human condition. However, you may find confirmation for both in doctrine and dogma where you wish and you may employ it as such and as you see fit.

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (240284)	8/30/2007 1:46:18 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 281500

HHHHMMM, I'd say he was doing it BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. You don't need religion to do the right thing. us.imdb.com

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (240284)	8/30/2007 10:47:31 AM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

"look at where the root cause of radical Islam is..... Namely the books that Islam is based on. " As you can see from my first response, (you had no reply so I am offering more for your consideration) it isn't necessary to show me the source doctrines for Radical Islam's terrorist dogma. And you don't need to go to far to gather anti-Islamic cut and paste, as Nadine travels with an overnight bag full that she dumps on the thread quite frequently. "..... If the root of the violence wasn't in the Quran and Hadith there wouldn't be a bunch of Imams teaching external Jihad." We have already discussed the problem of over simplifying the nature of violence as evil in and of itself. So I presume by that comment you meant evil violence perpetrated by heinous terrism, as in hate speech and attacks on innocents by extremists. It was my opinion on that premise you were responding too. Me: "Oh, I heartily disagree. The kingdom of heaven is at hand, if you seek it look within. On the other hand if you want to know where the evil of the world in your life could come from, look to the steps currently leading up to your chair. Likewise, radical Islam has its roots in the hearts of men, men with heinously evil hearts full of want for power, glory, real estate, broad-sweeping influence, or perhaps broads-weeping to influence." I was hoping that you would notice the nature of that post does not bolster the Islamic club while putting down the Christian club. The Kingdom of heaven comment is plagerized from a NT Jesus comment. The roots of evil comment is not too far off from what Jesus was quoted to have said, "The root of All* evil is the love of mammon."* Which implies to me Jesus' teaching says such roots are indeed springing from the hearts of men rather than from the books of men. You are welcome to speak for the Christian club but some would advise against forewarding amendments to its core doctrine. As I have said, evil can and is justified by the men who perpetrate it using the doctrine of choice, but when it is scriptural doctrine that by stated intent is supposed to bring peace on earth and goodwill to all men, then we can rationally conclude the evil and its manifestations in the world are rooted in the hearts of the corrupt men who are abusing such doctrines. Me: "The roots of goodness and evil are in the hearts of men, as a simple matter of being born into the human condition. However, you may find confirmation for both in doctrine and dogma where you wish and you may employ it as such and as you see fit. " Best regards, Gem