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To: TimF who wrote (349213)	9/4/2007 3:34:50 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1583881

Whenever there is a statistic that the right doesn't want to acknowledge, they come up with some alternative interpretation or they manipulate the numbers until they get the result they want. Such adjustments can of course be done in a partisan way, only considering the adjustments that help your case. The proper answer to that is to point out other adjustements that need to be made, or to point our the weaknesses in the adjustments you don't like, not to just say "well those are the arguments of a bunch of conservatives, so we don't have to pay any attention to them". The reason I don't point out the adjustments is either because it doesn't get me anywhere in the discussion, or because I don't know what adjustments they've made to get the numbers they've gotten, and frankly, I don't have the time to figure it out. in your favorite data points after you pick them. I am not picking my favorite data points.......they are the ones presented nationally by creditable agencies. Its you who goes looking for data points from obscure org. to make your case. You can make arguments for single payer health care insurance systems based on other things besides statistics, but if your going to use statistics, its not reasonable to act as if your favorite stats are the only ones that need to be considered, and can't ever be adjusted for other factors. There is so much information that suggests the American health system is in trouble, it amazes that you want to dispute that notion. As for Iraq and Schiavo, they aren't even vaguely similar to the issue. If statistical adjustments plaid any role at all in those issues it was a really tiny and unimportant one. They are similar in the sense that conservatives came up with rather outlandish and fact deficient positions on these two issues much like they are doing with health care. Its very frustrating to have to keep finding ways to deflate their arguments.