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To: Elroy who wrote (240555)	9/2/2007 8:43:30 AM
From: kumar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

countries like : US, Canada, UK, Germany, India, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand - grant citizenship to the person born there, as a "right of birth" to the person with no strings attached. In addition if you have UK/German citizenship (amongst others) you have EU citizenship. Countries like the GCC countries offer citizenship to people who have lived there for generations based on the ruler's desire. I do not know of any country that automatically grants citizenship based on the specific faith the individual follows - except Israel.

To: Elroy who wrote (240555)	9/2/2007 1:12:25 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

First of all, Jewish people don't get citizenship just by going there--like every other country, you have to live there for some period of time and fulfill some other bureaucratic and economic requirements as well. Israel was founded as a sanctuary--no country would take Jews in when Hitler asked them to back in late '39, early '40. And no country has come to the defense of Jews even when there was incontrovertible proof of their persecution over the centuries and the treatment of them as a separate "race" (even in 19th C US) or nationality. That is how "Jewish humans are different than non-Jewish humans," as far as secular Zionists are concerned. I will not speak for the self-described "religious" people, and wouldn't call them representative of Jewish people any more than I would call followers of Pat Robertson or bin Laden representative of Christians or Muslims. But second, I repeat--in your previous post, you conflated "understandings of humanity" with requirements for citizenship, and those things are far from identical.