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To: ballsschweaty who wrote (68503)	9/3/2007 5:45:24 PM
From: KyrosL	Respond to of 116555

so you think access to more pills and surgery is the answer for a longer life? How did you draw that ridiculous conclusion. It's the US system that stuffs people with pills and performs a zillion unneeded operations. That's the reason it costs so much more and delivers so much less. The universal characteristic of health care systems like France's is prevention. Prevention comes naturally, if the cheap preventive steps people can take such as checkups and pre-natal care are free and completely unburdened by bureaucratic procedures of who should pay what.

To: ballsschweaty who wrote (68503)	9/3/2007 10:21:28 PM
From: Sea Otter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

It's not just France that has better health numbers. Most industrialized countries have better health numbers compared to the US. The problem is, few Americans have had direct exposure to other health systems. They get all their information via anecdote (" many French die in heat wave") or via bumper slogan ("no to socialized medicine!"). And so they think the fact that we have millions of uninsured, or bad health stats, is somehow ok. The objective fact is, the US health system under-performs relative to its peers. From firsthand experience, I know other systems work much better than the U.S. Holland, for one, is amazing. And jeez, as a tourist, I got better medical care in New Zealand than in the USA. (And, before any Fox-News-viewers accuse me of hating the United States because I dis its health system: I love the United States - it is superior to other countries in so many respects. But there can be no doubt that its health system is massively broken).