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To: koan who wrote (68596)	9/5/2007 1:40:40 PM
From: ballsschweaty	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116555

Most companies today don't offer post-employment medical benefits or a pension. Those are old time legacy plans that are mostly discontinued now. I think this is the way it should be. Employees need to save money for their own retirement and purchase their own medical insurance if medicare is insufficient. It's time for the individual to stand up and take responsibility for their own lives and stop depending on the handouts from government and corporations.

To: koan who wrote (68596)	9/5/2007 1:48:23 PM
From: Broken_Clock	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

but as the corporations spent the money (often on large pay for management) ----- It not management's fault. It can be hard to hear the cries of dying workers back in Ohio from the eighth tee of the course when the trade winds are rustling the palm leaves.

To: koan who wrote (68596)	9/5/2007 3:09:35 PM
From: ajtj99	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

Get over it. The disgrace is the UAW and GM/Ford/Chrysler teaming up to make their unskilled workers some of the highest compensated workers on the planet for their level of education. Sheesh, drop out of high school, turn a screw on the line for 25-years, retire, and expect that employeer to spoon feed you for another 40 years while you go to your cottage, hang in your retirement home in Florida, fish off your boat, or travel in your motor home. Any worker who hummed along to Billy Joel's "Allentown" knows the game changed about 25-years ago. There is no job security, and that includes benefits and future benefits. The rank and file UAW have been fooling themselves for way too long. Get a clue, have a back-up plan, and don't bank on mama automaker to change your diapers in your old age. In edit, the Robert Stempel 1992 UAW contract did as much to bankrupt the US auto industry as anything. However, the workers had no problem grabbing anything they could. $75/hour in wages in benefits was reasonable in their eyes for working the assembly line with work rules that prohibited people from doing real work.