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To: Brumar89 who wrote (218896)	9/7/2007 8:33:51 AM
From: alanrs	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793745

You know, if our law enforcement policy about rape or pedophilia (just to pick a few problems with a high emotional component to make it fair) were resulting is roving gangs of rapist and pedophiles controlling large swaths of cities and boarders and countries, I might be inclined to give this line of thought some credence. Certainly what could be said under those circumstances would be that whatever we were doing was not working and new approaches should be considered. The funny thing about this conversation generally is that I see exactly the same psychological mechanisms being employed to avoid coming to grips with this problem by the general poster (the 'normies', as it were) as are typically used by the addict to avoid dealing with his/her problems. This surprises me, although it probably should not, each individual person probably not being as unique as he/she would like to believe. What problem? I don't have a problem. Ok, maybe I do have a problem, but so what, there are lots of problems. Leave me alone. Go fix those other things first. If only x (fill in the blank) were different, I'd deal with my problem. Ok, maybe I do have a problem, but it's probably because I don't know enough about it. I'll study up on the subject. I know that if I just learn enough I'll be able to handle it. I could go on. It's often a source of amusement (in retrospect) all the energy put into avoiding a head on look at what's happening. In real time, as someone is going through all that, mostly no one laughs, at least not out loud, and even privately only in the context of remembering when. Most people listen politely, and then thank the person for expressing what they are going through. The addict will (or won't) come to a place where he/she can deal with it in their own time. Nothing I could say to them directly will speed up the process. I know this having been there. Everybody gets to be who they are. I might volunteer how it was for me when I was in that place and a little of what happened. I might suggest patience-keep coming back, fake it till you make it- stuff like that. The person might hear it, they might not. Just thought I'd pass that on. ARS

To: Brumar89 who wrote (218896)	9/7/2007 9:21:24 AM
From: alanrs	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793745

The other thing that occurs to me about that post is that it completely ignores the demand side of the equation. To use your examples, how would it fit in your head if a significant portion of the population was actively trying to be raped? Then we would get posts about, yeah I was raped a few times and didn't like it. I can't imagine why so many people want to be raped. They even risk jail to be raped. People who want to be raped should be killed, or at least banned to Antarctica. Kind of like the gay thing. You know, I'm not gay and I can't imagine why anyone else would be. Let's kill the gay people, or at least pummel them a little for threatening my sexuality. I'm sorry, but that post really was silly. I know you feel strongly about this as evidenced by the lengths you have gone to to construct that argument, and I really do try not to be confrontational, but you might want to step back and take a few deep breaths. As might I. (and so I will). ARS