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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241314)	9/7/2007 10:20:37 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Brumar89's reaction to OBL's latest was so on-target imo that I will quote it here: Wow, he has almost all the leftwing talking points in there - global warming, Kyoto, globalization, the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, evil plotting neocons, Democrats elected to stop the war, 650K Iraqis killed by America (he forgot to echo Rosie by asking "who are the terrorists?"), wars based on deception and lies, Hiroshima, he plugs Chomsky and Scheuer, ultimately he blames the capitalist system, he's up to date - mentioning the interest related debts and mortgages .... The islamists h/b studying the west and recognize their allies. He's appealing to leftists and explicitly asking them to convert to Islam. Course, he still gives credit for 911 to his Islamic martyrs - except for that its straight leftism. How will the left react to Osama preaching from their text? Seems a far simpler and more complete explanation than some convoluted appeal to reverse psychology. How would you answer Brumar89's question?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241314)	9/8/2007 3:33:21 AM
From: Proud Deplorable	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

Fox News...Breaking News...Fox says Osama is DEAD foxnews.com

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241314)	9/8/2007 6:31:26 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Oh, knock it off. Do you really think he wants to lose his top recruiter? Bush is al-Qaeda's best recruiter, says British envoy By Sophie Arie, Ewen MacAskill Rome September 22, 2004 The Foreign Office in London has been thrown into turmoil after the British ambassador to Rome, Sir Ivor Roberts, described US President George Bush as "the best recruiting sergeant ever for al-Qaeda". theage.com.au “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” GWB,8/5/04 OBL should probably give Shrub the Medal of Freedom. Doin' a heckofajob.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241314)	9/12/2007 7:19:26 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

FYI - The commentators mentioned above and many other pundits - both right and left on the political spectrum - have described bin Laden's speech as something new and a blatant attempt to remain relevant in the contemporary world. That is incorrect. Bin Laden has talked previously on numerous occasions about the negative factors of capitalism and the inequities and fragility of the US economy; many of his post-September 11, 2001, speeches featured his bleed-America-to-bankruptcy scheme, as did several of his interviews before September 11. In addition, Zawahiri and Azzam al-Amriki (the US citizen Adam Gadahn) have repeatedly spoken in detail about these themes [3]. Indeed, Zawahiri's extensive February 2005 essay, entitled "The Freeing of Humanity and Homelands Under the Banner of the Koran", marked the start of al-Qaeda's now well-developed campaign of trying to support and deepen already existing anti-Americanism among non-Muslim groups - such as anti-globalists, environmentalists, nuclear disarmament activists, anti-US Europeans and other "oppressed people". These two men also have focused on the imperfect state of black-white race relations in the United States and championed the Islamic ideas of Malcolm X. And bin Laden - possibly for the first time - hit on this theme in his September 7 statement. "It is more severe than what the slaves used to suffer at your hands centuries ago," bin Laden said regarding conditions for white and especially black US soldiers in Iraq. "And it is as if some of them have gone from one slavery to another more severe and harmful, even if it be in the fancy dress of the Defense Department's financial enticements" [4].