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To: Ilaine who wrote (22221)9/10/2007 8:36:01 AM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 218039
 
Women have been fully integrating women in the workplace since we lived in caves.

Under today's environment, women gest much more than they get in a developed country.

Those Swedes, Germans and Americans, they get to do their 50%.

In LATAM, the women want all the things that the German, American and Swedes get plus the same things that they used to get before!

I think that even after getting all that they are complaining to you (I'm inferring here that you have contacts with such women on your profession) and want even more!!!!



To: Ilaine who wrote (22221)9/10/2007 10:12:04 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 218039
 
<<My suggestion is that eliminating fraud and corruption creates prosperity>>

... we will collectively be tested

do following names mean anything to you? starting from the beginning, and then in no particular order:

American Indians, two party electoral system, Congress, FED, Maestro Greensputin, Bureau of Labor Stats, CPI, S&L, Enron, Ben Helicopter BurnAndKaput, Standard n Poors, Fitch, Moodys, Refco, Sentinel, Bernanke, global reserve currency USD, legal profession, NYT, Mesopotamia, ...



To: Ilaine who wrote (22221)9/10/2007 4:38:47 PM
From: Snowshoe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218039
 
>>fully integrating women in the workplace leads to prosperity<<

That NYT article I cited shows what happens when your culture can freely harness the best brains. The modern methodology for evaluating catastrophe risk was created by a woman...

In Nature’s Casino
By MICHAEL LEWIS
nytimes.com

excerpt...

Thirteen years before what would become Tropical Storm Katrina churned toward Florida — on Monday, Aug. 24, 1992 — Karen Clark walked from her Boston office to a nearby Au Bon Pain. Several hours earlier, Hurricane Andrew had struck Florida, and she knew immediately that the event could define her career. Back in 1985, while working for an insurance company, Clark wrote a paper with the unpromising title “A Formal Approach to Catastrophe Risk Assessment in Management.” In it, she made the simple point that insurance companies had no idea how much money they might lose in a single storm. For decades Americans had been lurching toward catastrophe. The 1970s and ’80s were unusually free of major storms. At the same time, Americans were cramming themselves and their wealth onto the beach. The insurance industry had been oblivious to the trends and continued to price catastrophic risk just as it always had, by the seat of its pants. The big insurance companies ran up and down the Gulf Coast selling as many policies as they could. No one — not even the supposed experts at Lloyd’s of London — had any idea of the scope of new development and the exposure that the insurance industry now had.

To better judge the potential cost of catastrophe, Clark gathered very long-term historical data on hurricanes. “There was all this data that wasn’t being used,” she says. “You could take it, and take all the science that also wasn’t being used, and you could package it in a model that could spit out numbers companies could use to make decisions. It just seemed like such an obvious thing to do.” She combined the long-term hurricane record with new data on property exposure — building-replacement costs by ZIP code, engineering reports, local building codes, etc. — and wound up with a crude but powerful tool, both for judging the probability of a catastrophe striking any one area and for predicting the losses it might inflict. Then she wrote her paper about it.

The attention Clark’s paper attracted was mostly polite. Two years later, she visited Lloyd’s — pregnant with her first child, hauling a Stone Age laptop — and gave a speech to actual risk-takers. In nature’s casino, they had set themselves up as the house, and yet they didn’t know the odds. They assumed that even the worst catastrophe could generate no more than a few billion dollars in losses, but her model was generating insured losses of more than $30 billion for a single storm — and these losses were far more likely to occur than they had been in the previous few decades. She projected catastrophic storms from the distant past onto the present-day population and storms from the more recent past onto richer and more populated areas than they had actually hit. (If you reran today the hurricane that struck Miami in 1926, for instance, it would take out not the few hundred million dollars of property it destroyed at the time but $60 billion to $100 billion.) “But,” she says, “from their point of view, all of this was just in this computer.”

She spoke for 45 minutes but had no sense that she had been heard. “The room was very quiet,” she says. “No one got up and left. But no one asked questions either. People thought they had already figured it out. They were comfortable with their own subjective judgment.” Of course they were; they had made pots of money the past 20 years insuring against catastrophic storms. But — and this was her real point — there hadn’t been any catastrophic storms! The insurers hadn’t been smart. They had been lucky.

Clark soon found herself in a role for which she was, on the surface at least, ill suited: fanatic. “I became obsessed with it,” she says. One big player in the insurance industry took closer notice of her work and paid her enough to start a business. Applied Insurance Research, she called it, or A.I.R. Clark hired a few scientists and engineers, and she set to work acquiring more and better data and building better models. But what she really was doing — without quite realizing it — was waiting, waiting for a storm.

Hurricane Andrew made landfall at 5 on a Monday morning. By 9 she knew only the path of the storm and its intensity, but the information enabled her to estimate the losses: $13 billion, give or take. If builders in South Florida had ignored the building codes and built houses to lower standards, the losses might come in even higher. She faxed the numbers to insurers, then walked to Au Bon Pain. Everything was suddenly more vivid and memorable. She ordered a smoked-turkey and Boursin cheese sandwich on French bread, with lettuce and tomato, and a large Diet Coke. It was a nice sunny day in Boston. She sat outside at a small black table, alone. “It was too stressful to be with other people,” she says. “I didn’t want to even risk a conversation.” She ate in what she describes as “a catatonic state.” The scuttlebutt from Lloyd’s already had it that losses couldn’t possibly exceed $6 billion, and some thought they were looking at a loss of just a few hundred million. “No one believed it,” she says of her estimate. “No one thought it was right. No one said, ‘Yeah, $13 billion sounds like a reasonable number.’ ” As she ate, she wondered what $13 billion in losses looked like.

When she returned to the office, her phones were ringing. “People were outraged,” she says. “They thought I was crazy.” One insurance guy called her, chortling. “A few mobile homes and an Air Force base — how much could it be?” he said.

It took months for the insurers to tote up their losses: $15.5 billion. (Building codes in South Florida had not been strictly enforced.) Fifteen and a half billion dollars exceeded all of the insurance premiums ever collected in Dade County. Eleven insurance companies went bust. And this wasn’t anything like the perfect storm. If it had gone into Miami, it could have bankrupted the whole industry. Clark had been right: the potential financial losses from various catastrophes were too great, and too complicated, to be judged by human intuition. “No one ever called to congratulate me,” Clark says, laughing. “But I had a lot of people call and ask to buy the model.”

After Hurricane Andrew came a shift in the culture of catastrophe. “This one woman really created the method for valuing this risk,” says John Seo. Clark’s firm, A.I.R., soon had more than 25 Ph.D.’s on staff and two competitors, Eqecat and Risk Management Solutions. In its Bay Area offices, R.M.S. now houses more than 100 meteorologists, seismologists, oceanographers, physicists, engineers and statisticians, and they didn’t stop at hurricanes and earthquakes but moved on to flash floods, wildfires, extreme winter storms, tornadoes, tsunamis and an unpleasant phenomenon delicately known as “extreme mortality,” which, more roughly speaking, is the possibility that huge numbers of insured human beings will be killed off by something like a global pandemic.



To: Ilaine who wrote (22221)9/10/2007 9:33:57 PM
From: Dr. Voodoo  Respond to of 218039
 
>>>It seems to me that you are arguing for a right to commit fraud.<<<<

It seems that you think what applies in America should apply in a country that's supplying you with poison dog food and tainted choo-choos. It doesn't. Just like I'm sure you would never buy your clothes from a sweatshop, and really need that guy picking your lettuce to be paid a "living wage"....

And now you suggest, you have every right to sing about how great it is that you're not forced to wear a burka without fear of repurcussion. People in China just don't give a rip. Some of them might even be happy to be Chinese!!! It may also come as a shock to you, that they might even think that we're a bunch of idiots for spending ourselves into a coma buying all manner of lead tainted plasticcrap to give to our obese children who have been deneuted of all ability to think and act for themselves.

American "BUYERS"...e.g. Mattel, iams etc--not the consumer, without care or reason for how they met their deliverable sold those products to American consumers. They didn't check what they were getting---despite, as you say, making a healthy profit selling upscale doggie food!

The people making these products are largely uneducated, largely under intense pressure to meet their quotas and largely unsupervised as to how they go about it. And if it weren't for a few people checking up and pet's dying nobody would have given a rip.

--You get what you pay for, and the fact is we've become so obsessed with "get it to me cheap and get it to me now" that we've lost all concept of reality and responsibility.

It may also shock you that nobody intentionally committed a fraud! Some guy probably needed to make his delivery and grabbed what he could find from another guy who said he had some blue paint,,,, or some guy grabbed the bucket of melamine when he was looking for bone meal. All of it got dumped into a larger bin of stuff that was perfectly fine. Boom, dead doggies and dumb babies.

How is this any different than Firestone recalling truck tires??????? NOBODY knew until it was too late. Did anybody go to jail over that one??? You didn't see Clinton standing up and saying Mexican's can't make good tires, or Canadians saying "those bastards in illinois suck eggs for causing me to roll my Ford Explorer"....What about vioxx? Any criminals at Merck? Fen-Phen? Renu contact lense cleaner???? Oh,,, some litigous bastards got rich on those didn't they????

Because half the crap we buy these days is made in China and they won't revalue the Yuan---that's why it's political....

Because while we were sleeping, corporate america, greensputin, shrubbie, and the rest of the world have been undermining american buying power at the expense of "family values", "the war on terror", "sound monetary policy", and "no money down"....

My suggestion is that the "fraud" you speak of has inhabited every corner of society in every manner object you encounter, and so it goes to TEOTWAWKI....



To: Ilaine who wrote (22221)9/13/2007 3:26:55 AM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218039
 
China Isn't the Villain Behind Dangerous Imports usnews.com