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To: tejek who wrote (351297)	9/20/2007 8:53:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573827

Do you know that we forced through the UN the creation of Israel even after our ally, the Brits, told us it was a mistake? What do you think that did for the US image in Islam? First, we are under no obligation to give the Arab world a veto over our foreign policy. Second, we didn't force a reluctant UN to recognize partition. The entire Communist bloc supported it too. Third, there was no real alternative except the driving our or killing of all Jews in Palestine. Did you know when we sent troops to the Gulf in 1991, we did so in defense of Arab countries, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (sure it was in our interest, as it should be)? You answered your own statement. Do you think the Arabs see it any differently? The govts of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the emirates, Syria, and Egypt participated in the war with us. Only Mauritania sided with Saddam. So yes. But if you're determined to bend over backward to accept only anti-American positions as legitimate, you won't see it that way. Did you know we reflagged Kuwaiti oil tankers and fought a brief naval war with Iran in the '80's to protect Arab shipping? We did it to help Saddam and try to get Iran to capitulate to him. No, we did it to keep the world economy running and to keep someone like the USSR from stepping in. Did you know we forced a ceasefire on Israel back in 1973 which prevented it from decisively defeating Egypt and Syria? Yes. Did you know we've been the primary financial backer of the PA? Not recently. Historically. Did you know we have done the most to try to make peace between Israel and its neighbors, including the Palestinians? Clinton did.......not Bush. A couple of Presidents have personally worked as negotiators to this goal. Bush I and Clinton. That was a good thing. All Presidents since Nixon have worked for peace. Carter and Clinton involved themselves personally more than most. Now we've overthrown a brutal dictator and given an Arab country a chance to rule itself democratically. We invaded another country for little good reason and violated its sovereignty. As a result, the country is in chaos. The country has an elected govt which is sovereign and wants us to help them. Accordingly, you're the one who disrespects Iraq's sovereignity. The Arab world has no legitimate greivances against us. Unfortunately, leftwingers are so anti-American they instinctively side with terrorists and anyone else anti-American so they can't accept this fact. You are fool if you believe that the Arab world has no legitimate grievances against the US. Just last summer we let Israel bomb the hell out of Lebanon. In response to Hezbollahs assault on Israel. That was fair. I noticed the Arab League had little comment. -------------------------------------- Islam considers all of Saudi Arabia to be holy ground. No it doesn't. If it did, SA wouldn't have had hundreds of thousands of non-Muslims working in the country for the last 50 years. Osama bin Ladin says all of Saudi Arabia is holy ground. Maybe you consider him the spokesman for Islam? Anyway, your acceptance of his claim is an example of the instinctive siding with terrorists and other extremist anti-American viewpoints I mentioned above. Their objection isn't foreigners.......its the military of another nation. The govt of SA is not dominated by secularists. Its one of the most fundamentalist of regimes. Yet they we were there with their approval. Again this in example of you bending over backward to recognize as legitimate and right only the most anti-American of positions and to justify blaming the US unfairly. ------------------------- The Shah was an elitist, repressive dicator who tortured his people. That is much more true of the governments that replaced the Shah. The Shah didn't hang rebellious teenage girls or young homosexuals, stone women for adultery, or beat them on the street for wearing western clothing. es, he did do some westernization of the country but under his strong arm: "While a Muslim himself, the Shah gradually lost support with the Shi'a clergy of Iran, particularly due to his strong policy of Westernization and recognition of Israel. Given the nature of Iran's clergy, their non-support was inevitable for any decent govt. <i...a 1953 ... Mossadegh The Shan fell 26 years later. Please. banning of the Tudeh Party and the oppression of dissent by Iran's intelligence agency, SAVAK; Amnesty International reported that Iran had as many as 2,200 political prisoners in 1978. The Khomeinist regime pretty much wiped out the Tudeh, imprisoning and executing thousands of them. Iran has over 30K political prisoners now. Despite being much more active in executing them.