To: Brumar89 who wrote (62575 ) 9/23/2007 11:10:10 PM From: Oeconomicus Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947 You keep talking about this monolithic "left" that wants to impose things on you. Like what, specifically? Are "they" trying to make your kids be gay? Or to become atheists? Who, precisely, is doing this? To what end? Is that why we should oppose Hillary or Edwards or Obama? Because they are out to "destroy our culture"? Or are the reasons to oppose them really more mundane than that? Maybe they are just misguided in what policies would make everyone better off. Or even if they really hold ill intentions, isn't it more likely that they are power hungry or greedy in the traditional , self-serving sense? How do they gain from killing the golden goose that is America? IMO, you are flailing at ghosts. Threats that are either wholly imagined or that you have blown way out of proportion to reality. Yeah, I'll agree that there are a few on the extreme left who really do hate everything America (or Western classical liberalism more generally) stands for, and a few more misguided souls who are taken in by them, but that is no more the mainstream left than Westboro Baptist Church or those who want evolution out of public school science curricula are representative of the mainstream right. JMO, of course. I guess I'm just not easily enough alarmed to take much stock in alarmist rhetoric, whether from the left or right, about vague threats to equally undefined values. So if you want to talk threats, let's be more specific. Let's narrow it down to specific activists, or agitators if that describes some better, and pick apart their motives and their deceptions. Rip apart moron.org or their friends who cozy up to the likes of Hugo Chavez and Iran's Ahmadinejad. Even challenge the otherwise center-left pols who often seem fearful of repudiating the extremists because they don't want to become their targets. But let's not play this ridiculous "the left is evil, we are good" game. It only moves people farther apart and increases the influence of extremists on either side. At the very least, though, I'd hoped you could provide some reasoned basis for connecting the actions of a drunken asshole brit to the US political left. Alas, it seems to have been only an excuse to rail against the monolithic "left", against "them" who threaten "us." That's disappointing.