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To: Sam who wrote (16412)	9/25/2007 1:49:13 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Global Warming is Just a Hoax (Part of the How to Talk to a Climate Sceptic guide) [EDIT: Even more links are in the original, here: illconsidered.blogspot.com The whole site is worth exploring.] Objection: Global Warming is just a hoax perpetrated by environmental extremists and liberals who want an excuse for more big government. This is a very common line and is usually couched in more colorful language (enviro-Nazis, liberal wack jobs, that kind of thing). While appeals to authority are not always the most convincing of scientific arguments, this non-scientific attack is best answered with just that, to wit: Answer: Here is a list of "enviro-Nazis" and "left-wing loonies" who believe that Anthropogenic Global Warming is real and well supported by sound science: NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) giss.nasa.gov National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) ncdc.noaa.gov Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) grida.no National Academy of Sciences (NAS) books.nap.edu State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC) socc.ca Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) yosemite.epa.gov The Royal Society of the UK (RS) royalsoc.ac.uk American Geophysical Union (AGU) ametsoc.org American Institute of Physics aip.org National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) eo.ucar.edu American Meteorological Society (AMS) ametsoc.org Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS) cmos.ca Every major scientific institute dealing with climate, ocean, and/or atmosphere agrees that the climate is warming rapidly and the primary cause is human CO2 emissions. On top of that list, see also this joint statement that specifically and unequivocally endorses the work and conclusions of the IPCC Third Assessment report, issued by - Academia Brasiliera de CiÃªncias (Bazil) - Royal Society of Canada - Chinese Academy of Sciences - AcademiÃ© des Sciences (France) - Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany) - Indian National Science Academy - Accademia dei Lincei (Italy) - Science Council of Japan - Russian Academy of Sciences - Royal Society (United Kingdom) - National Academy of Sciences (United States of America) nationalacademies.org and this one that includes the above signers plus: - Australian Academy of Sciences - Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts - Caribbean Academy of Sciences - Indonesian Academy of Sciences - Royal Irish Academy - Academy of Sciences Malaysia - Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand - Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences royalsociety.org But perhaps you would find the opinion of some of the bastions of industry more convincing than those of the pointy-headed intellectuals? BP, the largest oil company in the UK and one of the largest in the world has this opinion: There is an increasing consensus that climate change is linked to the consumption of carbon based fuels and that action is required now to avoid further increases in carbon emissions as the global demand for energy increases. (The above comes from here) Shell Oil (yes, oil the fossil fuel) says: Shell shares the widespread concern that the emission of greenhouse gases from human activities is leading to changes in the global climate. (Read that here) Here is what 18 CEO's of Canada's largest corporations had to say in an open letter to the Prime Minister of Canada: Our organizations accept that a strong response is required to the strengthening evidence in the scientific assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). We accept the IPCC consensus that climate change raises the risk of severe consequences for human health and security and the environment. We note that Canada is particularly vulnerable to the impacts of climate change. That can be read here. Have the EnviroNazis finally seized the industrial reigns of power? Somehow, I doubt it.

To: Sam who wrote (16412)	9/26/2007 12:58:16 AM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

In previous years it was too cold for snow or ice to reach the interior of Antarctica. It was the driest place on earth. Warming means that moisture can penetrate further before it precipitates. Of course that is just a phase as the real danger of global warming is the constant change. The weather will change faster than the organisms can adapt or migrate. TP