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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: gg cox who wrote (2138)	9/26/2007 11:42:47 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

TobagoJack's story isn't really a reply to Stossel's arguments, even to his arguments about wait times. Notice the wait times he was talking about where not for treatment of acute injury. Also he was talking about wait times in Canada and the UK, not Hong Kong. Than you also have the fact that Stossel made other arguments that had nothing to do with wait times. For example - "But Canadians' longer lives are unrelated to heath care. Canadians are less likely to get into accidents or be murdered. Take those factors into account, not to mention obesity, and Americans live longer." And arguments only partially related to wait times such as "More than a million Canadians cannot find a regular family doctor. One town holds a lottery. Once a week the town clerk gets a box out of the closet. Everyone who wants to have a family doctor puts his or her name in it. The clerk pulls out one slip to determine the winner."

To: gg cox who wrote (2138)	9/26/2007 8:05:37 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

If anecdotes are what you want Inquiry into miscarriage horror in hospital toilet An inquiry has been launched into the ordeal of a pregnant woman who was ignored by staff at a Sydney hospital before miscarrying in the emergency department toilet. Jana Horska, who was 14 weeks pregnant, miscarried after waiting almost two hours for medical assistance at Royal North Shore Hospital last night. NSW Premier Morris Iemma and Health Minister Reba Meagher have extended their condolences to Ms Horska and insist an inquiry will put the family first. The review will be conducted by the head of the Royal Hospital for Women at Randwick, Professor William Walters and the head of the Clinical Excellence Commission Cliff Hughes. It'll report back on October 26. Horska's husband, Mark Dreyer, has told 2GB's Alan Jones he is horrified at the treatment his wife has received and has described what happened. "Here's my wife, sitting on a toilet, screaming... an image in my mind I'll never be able to get out is the look on her face," he said. "Tears, hysterical, pants around the ankles holding a live foetus in her hands, between her legs in a toilet bowl." Peter - Mr Dreyer's cousin - who had taken Ms Horska to the hospital, says the treatment they received was disgraceful. “When we weren’t looking she walked off into the toilet and had a miscarriage,” he said. “People have come running [from] everywhere. I can’t go into the finer details, it’s just so gruesome, mate. It’s just something I wouldn’t say on air. She’s holding the little foetus in her hand, basically, and was wheeled out of the toilet in front of this packed waiting room.” "Not only that, but once they found her a bed they left her lying with the foetus between her legs for one hour." New South Wales Shadow Health Minister Jillian Skinner says it's a damning indictment of the state's health system. "This is such a heartbreaking example of what happens when a hospital is basically dysfunctional," she said... awesternheart.blogspot.com